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When building a KL CB, do you tweak tactics at all? Mainly cushion and coverage style?

It makes logical sense to me that you would give more of a cushion as you're not building the dot to contest the catch with deflections or interceptions, and instead trying to hit the player as they catch the ball.

Is that correct? Or do you run the same tactics as a regular CB?
 
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There are no 'regular CB' tactics to my knowledge. To some extent it depends on build, SA's, VA's, CB slots and roles within the D scheme. From there you find the sweet spots in the various tactic options.

Cue up with your DC if you are uncertain of your role in a given scheme
 
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Originally posted by StabbyMcGinge
When building a KL CB, do you tweak tactics at all? Mainly cushion and coverage style?

It makes logical sense to me that you would give more of a cushion as you're not building the dot to contest the catch with deflections or interceptions, and instead trying to hit the player as they catch the ball.

Is that correct? Or do you run the same tactics as a regular CB?


KL CBs are my fave archetype in the game. I have a ton of CBs. 90% are KL aimed. Not that I'm an expert. For me, I'm at .5 cushion but have been thinking of giving more. I don't know if it matters for me however because I'm a zone scheme guy where I don't want to be chasing/mirroring as much as the usual Man scheme.

Cushion not being much of a factor to me. My thought is that what's more ideal is the right zone assignment at the right time to crash into the receiver with inertia. Much of that is up to the QB right.

I may be silly to think this but recently came to the conclusion that Wrap Up is just as effective at getting KLs as Balance or Power tackling. The special roll for a KL I think is tied more heavily to Tackling attribute, a 3rd cap in Strength is fine.

Summary, when it comes to tactics, I just set all of my DBs at Wrap Up, whether they are KL types or not. Cushion not being much of a factor in heavy zone schemes is my assumption.

Edited by dusk883 on Apr 18, 2025 09:58:30
 
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Bunch of KL stuff here

https://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=5331542&page=1#50118978
 
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Originally posted by King of Bling
There are no 'regular CB' tactics to my knowledge. To some extent it depends on build, SA's, VA's, CB slots and roles within the D scheme. From there you find the sweet spots in the various tactic options.

Cue up with your DC if you are uncertain of your role in a given scheme


Of course tactics are contextual to build. When I said regular I just meant "not giving a huge cushion and contesting the ball in the air".
 
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Originally posted by dusk883
KL CBs are my fave archetype in the game. I have a ton of CBs. 90% are KL aimed. Not that I'm an expert. For me, I'm at .5 cushion but have been thinking of giving more. I don't know if it matters for me however because I'm a zone scheme guy where I don't want to be chasing/mirroring as much as the usual Man scheme.

Cushion not being much of a factor to me. My thought is that what's more ideal is the right zone assignment at the right time to crash into the receiver with inertia. Much of that is up to the QB right.

I may be silly to think this but recently came to the conclusion that Wrap Up is just as effective at getting KLs as Balance or Power tackling. The special roll for a KL I think is tied more heavily to Tackling attribute, a 3rd cap in Strength is fine.

Summary, when it comes to tactics, I just set all of my DBs at Wrap Up, whether they are KL types or not. Cushion not being much of a factor in heavy zone schemes is my assumption.



Very interesting, thanks for your reply! What about coverage style? In the link LADolts shared it looks counter-productive to actually TRY to deflect or intercept the ball (you want the receiver to catch the pass to get a KL roll) so do you do anything different there?
 
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For my own new batch of CB dots, not really anything different bc I'm thinking the same, fewer battles to interact first isn't my thing. I'll naturally lose more of those opportunities to do that interact battle because I'm naturally (maybe) slower, less agile, less jumping etc etc as I go deeper into Strength and higher Tackling. I don't think any of my KL CBs have more than 48.06 Catching.

My newest batch of CB KL guys are all Hard Hitter archetype even if I don't think we need that much Strength to KL. Strength will likely 4th cap on this bunch and I'll lack some Vision I think. Which might even work out for me since I'm ok with the idea that they may be slower to react to passes coming to the zone. A full second KL opportunity is long enough.

I probably like KLs more than I should.

I'll tell you what, zz man is the KL king so far as I know - would be awesome if he could share some in this thread

My rookie batch of CB KL dots - the intent here is to almost always have them in Under Third zones, bring on the outside and short scat dumps. Most of my current zone scheme DAIs are about half man up on WR1/2 and half zone but what I'd really like is to have that Tampa 2 "cheeseburger" where you can just rely on CB1/2 to do it all in the under 1/3 zones. That's the dream anyway.
Edited by dusk883 on Apr 18, 2025 19:27:56
 
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Originally posted by StabbyMcGinge
When building a KL CB, do you tweak tactics at all? Mainly cushion and coverage style?

It makes logical sense to me that you would give more of a cushion as you're not building the dot to contest the catch with deflections or interceptions, and instead trying to hit the player as they catch the ball. https://escaperoadcity2.io

Is that correct? Or do you run the same tactics as a regular CB?


Yes, when building a KL (Kickoff Return) cornerback, it makes sense to tweak your tactics, particularly regarding cushion and coverage style. By providing more cushion, you're allowing the receiver to catch the ball without contesting it aggressively, which aligns with your goal of making a tackle immediately after the catch. This approach minimizes the risk of big plays while focusing on stopping the receiver quickly. However, the specific tactics may still depend on your overall defensive strategy and the strengths of your players. Adjusting your coverage style to prioritize tackling rather than interceptions can be beneficial in this scenario.
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