Warrior General Games

Clearly not working as intended

https://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=20749&pbp_id=792163

Total BS

Somebody got burned? I'm all for leaving OOP's as they are. I have played a Scat FB at wr... and even a blocking FB once (all rush offense). I'd rather not change. Doubt much anyone spams such things and, even if they do, there's defenses against it.

I'm sure OOP was applied - don't need a lot of strength and blocking to do what the FB did

Originally posted by reddogrw
I'm sure OOP was applied - don't need a lot of strength and blocking to do what the FB did

block 3 guys?

Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
Somebody got burned? I'm all for leaving OOP's as they are. I have played a Scat FB at wr... and even a blocking FB once (all rush offense). I'd rather not change. Doubt much anyone spams such things and, even if they do, there's defenses against it.

SWAT has been doing this for years to everybody

Not just SWAT. I've done it and so have others. Pretty sure Novus had either some form of blocking TE's, FB's, or WR's on his all run teams. I've used STOPS out there too. Only thing I haven't tried at WR is O-linemen... mostly because there IS a penalty but you can't make a penalty strong enough to fix what you're asking.
I do know top notch DC's have a 'fix' for those types of things because they tell me so when I try it against them. ( )

Bump for ignorant posts stupidity justifying an OPP dominating as fine

You down with OPP (Yeah you know me), you down with OPP (Yeah you know me)
You down with OPP (Yeah you know me), who's down with OPP (All the homies)

its still relevant...

I just don't see him changing anything unless it proves to be overpowered and spammed a lot.

Originally posted by PLAYMAKERS
Clearly not working as intended

Certainly not to the extent it should be, 100% agree

EDIT: I believe there should be a positional sliding scale. ie: An OT playing G should be pretty chill and visa-versa, G to C or the opposite should work too as examples. On the other hand, a WR playing TE should get a penalty for instance.

I would add, watch those FBs on a pass snap at WR, and see the speed they're moving at ... looks like a pretty stiff penalty being applied.

Outside Blocker VA: +2% Spd / Agl / Vis / Blk per point. So +30%, on rushing plays, to the relevant stats to blocking, except for strength from a full stack.

Neither FB had a pancake. Pretty sure from watching a few pass snaps, they're getting smacked by about a 25% OoP ... problem is - that's still not enough to overcome the boost from OB VA, in terms of their Spd/Agl/Vis/Blk, which makes them pretty damn effective blockers, just not 'cakers. Same goes for a TE OoP at WR, so long as they have OB VA.

So is the problem really the OoP penalty, or how crazy the boost from the VA is? Food for thought.

Originally posted by King of Bling
EDIT: I believe there should be a positional sliding scale. ie: An OT playing G should be pretty chill and visa-versa, G to C or the opposite should work too as examples. On the other hand, a WR playing TE should get a penalty for instance


That's the way it's working currently. OT <-> G <-> C is ~5% (the lowest penalty) for out of position.

FB -> WR is stronger, but not strong enough to dent OB's boost as the above post.

The more whacked the substitution, the worse it gets. If you want to test it out, just try tossing a fast rush QB at safety in a meaningless scrim. They'll move around half their normal speed, it's a brutal OoPP hit.

The Iron Man leagues back around S30 were a lot of fun, trying to figure all those penalties out and where to put people.