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Originally posted by Bash E. Bull
Congrats to the Pro League Champions! Props to everyone on a good season, with more to come.

I will give a bit of advice to any team advancing first time to the WL:

Also don't try to compete with a dual threat QB. You may surprise teams here and there, but most DC's will quickly adapt & shut that down. If a QB is any threat to run, then his passing is not good enough to be feared on a consistent basis. ITs a gift, a RQB that does not scare you in the run or pass...

Originally posted by SeattleNiner
Also don't try to compete with a dual threat QB. You may surprise teams here and there, but most DC's will quickly adapt & shut that down. If a QB is any threat to run, then his passing is not good enough to be feared on a consistent basis. ITs a gift, a RQB that does not scare you in the run or pass...

True . And as most DAIs at the higher levels have been used for 10 yrs plus and have encountered most quirks that an oc can throw at them all bases tend to be covered....Formations personel changes tagging game situations etc are usually all covered to varying degrees. For me RQBs get tagged when Im gameplanning and then its up to the DAI. imo its not the rQB alone thats the danger...its the rQB with a PHB and a great O Line and how the OC uses them (and others) to get me doing what THEY want (if that makes sense)

Originally posted by SeattleNiner
Also don't try to compete with a dual threat QB. You may surprise teams here and there, but most DC's will quickly adapt & shut that down. If a QB is any threat to run, then his passing is not good enough to be feared on a consistent basis. ITs a gift, a RQB that does not scare you in the run or pass...

you can use him to surprise teams from time to time, just not on a regular basis

https://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/game.pl?game_id=3062272

Originally posted by reddogrw
you can use him to surprise teams from time to time, just not on a regular basis

https://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/game.pl?game_id=3062272

lol yes

Originally posted by Little M
This one part of the game that Bort really messed up. I can understand his thoughts and ideas behind confidence, chemistry and morale, but the way it is programmed it becomes a negative feedback loop that is very hard to get out of, so a team that gets off to a bad start in a game or a season is fighting an uphill battle to just level the playing field.

One thing we had never anticipated, we have quite a few skill position players with the 'minimum' 40 in confidence, and then we have some skill position players even lower than that. Its really not a problem for the most part because a good team at any other level will never lose their first few games in a row- but if they do, with 40 confidence they will quickly be starting the game with 80 morale, and less than that is just disastrous. I still think its ok so long as you don't lose the first few games in a row!

Originally posted by SeattleNiner
Also don't try...

wow, you still don't get it

First of all, you obviously don't understand morale. Second, you don't understand that the QB is just an extension of the entire offense. No QB in the world would have succeeded with us last season when our morale was crushed and guys weren't running routes as well and weren't blocking as well. Neither of our QBs had a chance to succeed and none in GLB would have. For what its worth, our dual-threat QB had a better TD to INT ratio, yards per pass, and non-screen pass completion % than our pQB did... but neither of them were ever put into a position to succeed, unfortunately. When they are, everyone knows the result:

https://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/game.pl?game_id=3056130

...and I can already hear you sputtering blah blah blah- and its hardly even worth responding, but I've already stated that we did a shitty job game planning for WL and most of it was my fault. Had I game planned like that in NA Pro, we never would have made it to WL in the first place. The difference is that in NA Pro we knew what to expect because these are the teams we've been playing every season, so offensively and defensively we had an idea what to expect and could plan accordingly. We had no idea what to expect in our first season in WL, and by the time we really adjusted, by the time we lost just the first 3 games, our guys were down 15-20 morale points from jump street. You add that to the small chemistry hit we were still taking and going up against the best teams only, we were too far behind the 8 ball at that point. At that point it was irrelevant what tactics we used, or who we had playing at whatever position. If our guys had more confidence, maybe we could have pulled out of it, but I don't think we are the only team where most of the skill positions guys are in the 40s. We just blew all the close games early and had I planned a bit better and we had won some of the close games, our morale wouldn't have crashed so bad, and we'd actually had a chance to be competitive. It just makes us that more determined to get back to WL for season 90, with at least the experience we gained to help us do better.

Originally posted by Bash E. Bull
wow, you still don't get it

First of all, you obviously don't understand morale. Second, you don't understand that the QB is just an extension of the entire offense. No QB in the world would have succeeded with us last season when our morale was crushed and guys weren't running routes as well and weren't blocking as well. Neither of our QBs had a chance to succeed and none in GLB would have. For what its worth, our dual-threat QB had a better TD to INT ratio, yards per pass, and non-screen pass completion % than our pQB did... but neither of them were ever put into a position to succeed, unfortunately. When they are, everyone knows the result:

https://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/game.pl?game_id=3056130

...and I can already hear you sputtering blah blah blah- and its hardly even worth responding, but I've already stated that we did a shitty job game planning for WL and most of it was my fault. Had I game planned like that in NA Pro, we never would have made it to WL in the first place. The difference is that in NA Pro we knew what to expect because these are the teams we've been playing every season, so offensively and defensively we had an idea what to expect and could plan accordingly. We had no idea what to expect in our first season in WL, and by the time we really adjusted, by the time we lost just the first 3 games, our guys were down 15-20 morale points from jump street. You add that to the small chemistry hit we were still taking and going up against the best teams only, we were too far behind the 8 ball at that point. At that point it was irrelevant what tactics we used, or who we had playing at whatever position. If our guys had more confidence, maybe we could have pulled out of it, but I don't think we are the only team where most of the skill positions guys are in the 40s. We just blew all the close games early and had I planned a bit better and we had won some of the close games, our morale wouldn't have crashed so bad, and we'd actually had a chance to be competitive. It just makes us that more determined to get back to WL for season 90, with at least the experience we gained to help us do better.

I would also recommend you work on the builds

not to pick on people, but these are far from WL builds (these were the only 2 open builds on FFG currently)


https://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/player.pl?player_id=4769837

Warren Eckert (Lv. 79 G)
Ht/Wt: 6'3", 312lbs


Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 154.26 (+52)
Speed: 70.84
Agility: 89.2
Jumping: 6.8
Stamina: 61.04
Vision: 70.9
Confidence: 61.1

Football Skills
Blocking: 94.26
Catching: 8
Tackling: 8
Throwing: 8
Carrying: 8
Kicking: 8
Punting: 8

Special Abilities
Pass Blocking Abilities
Pass Block: 0
Strong Arm: 0
Shock Block: 0
Foundation: 0
Absorb Pain: 0

Run Blocking Abilities
Run Block: 2
Get Low: 2
Hands: 2
Cut Block: 2
Pancake: 3

Additional Abilities
Balance: 0
Veteran Abilities
Workout Warrior: 5
Football Genius: 3
Overpower: 15
Pass Blocker: 15
Pocket Defender: 15
Power Blocker: 15

Current Bonuses/Penalties
Strength: +1.53
Vision: +1.06
Hold block chance: +25.5%



https://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/player.pl?player_id=4760698

Fred Warner (Lv. 79 LB)
Ht/Wt: 6'1", 235lbs


Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 63.26
Speed: 156.1 (+55)
Agility: 89.1
Jumping: 65.1
Stamina: 60.26
Vision: 84.1
Confidence: 52.26

Football Skills
Blocking: 8
Catching: 8
Tackling: 83.26
Throwing: 8
Carrying: 8
Kicking: 8
Punting: 8

Special Abilities
Hard Hitter Abilities
Snarl: 2
Aura of Intimidation: 2
Diving Tackle: 6
Monster Hit: 0
Defense General: 0

Pass Rusher Abilities
Trash Talk: 2
The Glare: 3
Shed Blocks: 3
Swat Ball: 7
Big Sack: 1

Additional Abilities
Closing Speed: 6
Superior Vision: 6
Veteran Abilities
Track Star: 15
Brick Wall: 15
Death Grip: 15
Long Reach: 10
Sure Tackler: 15

Current Bonuses/Penalties
Speed: +4.55
Make tackle chance: +15%
Deflect ball chance: +15%

I think those are new players they recruited this offseason, red.

Though I do agree they probably need better builds, along with other things.

Originally posted by Bash E. Bull
wow, you still don't get it





After you win ONE game in WL I'll listen.

Originally posted by Bash E. Bull
wow, you still don't get it

First of all, you obviously don't understand morale. Second, you don't understand that the QB is just an extension of the entire offense. No QB in the world would have succeeded with us last season when our morale was crushed and guys weren't running routes as well and weren't blocking as well. Neither of our QBs had a chance to succeed and none in GLB would have. For what its worth, our dual-threat QB had a better TD to INT ratio, yards per pass, and non-screen pass completion % than our pQB did... but neither of them were ever put into a position to succeed, unfortunately. When they are, everyone knows the result:

https://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/game.pl?game_id=3056130

...and I can already hear you sputtering blah blah blah- and its hardly even worth responding, but I've already stated that we did a shitty job game planning for WL and most of it was my fault. Had I game planned like that in NA Pro, we never would have made it to WL in the first place. The difference is that in NA Pro we knew what to expect because these are the teams we've been playing every season, so offensively and defensively we had an idea what to expect and could plan accordingly. We had no idea what to expect in our first season in WL, and by the time we really adjusted, by the time we lost just the first 3 games, our guys were down 15-20 morale points from jump street. You add that to the small chemistry hit we were still taking and going up against the best teams only, we were too far behind the 8 ball at that point. At that point it was irrelevant what tactics we used, or who we had playing at whatever position. If our guys had more confidence, maybe we could have pulled out of it, but I don't think we are the only team where most of the skill positions guys are in the 40s. We just blew all the close games early and had I planned a bit better and we had won some of the close games, our morale wouldn't have crashed so bad, and we'd actually had a chance to be competitive. It just makes us that more determined to get back to WL for season 90, with at least the experience we gained to help us do better.

we started 1-3 in WL once and still won the title that year

yeah, if you start 0-7 you are screwed, but there is a lot more that goes into it than "oh no we lost a few games and now we're screwed for the whole season"

elite builds

great coordinating

need both or forget it

edit: i had totally forgotten that morale could carry over from game to game. huh, i thought that had been changed at some point. i guess maybe it was just drastically reduced.

A little piece of history here. In season 77, we came in to the World League all full of piss and vinegar, and promptly lost our first six games. According to some theories we were done, goose cooked, hung out to dry, however you want to phrase it, LOSERS.
we righted the ship a little bit, and managed to go 6-4 the rest of the regular season ending with a 6-10 season, sneaking into the playoffs; not thru the backdoor, but thru the sewers, we stunk. Guess what ?, we won the next 3 games, yeah, that's right, world league champs.

So, If you were to believe that I don't put much stock into morale carrying over from game to game, you would be right, and if you were a betting person, you would make a bunch placing that bet.

Originally posted by nexill
edit: i had totally forgotten that morale could carry over from game to game. huh, i thought that had been changed at some point. i guess maybe it was just drastically reduced.

A portion of it does, depending on the player's confidence. After just one or two losses in a row it is much smaller than if you have lost many games apparently, but its the first time we ever lost more than a few games in a season so I'm just going by this season. If a player's confidence is in the 80's or higher, it won't matter at all. In the 60's, those guys were down to mid 80's morale by several losses in a row. At that point the players with confidence in the 40's were down to like 70's morale, and the guys with like 26 confidence were unspeakably low. Mostly these were our top receiving targets and due to it they started getting open way less often. I'm wondering if confidence matters more in WL than any other league. I know its weighted more heavily in every league's play-offs. I guess many of our builds are pretty extreme- I never before saw a major downside when skill position players lacked even the 'minimum' confidence. I guess that is it.

-Before I respond to the other comment, I'd like to point out that GMs with permission can see all their players morale at any time, so we do know exactly how much it carried over. One can debate the effect of morale, but not the facts of how much of it numerically carries over.

Originally posted by builderbob
A little piece of history here. In season 77, we came in to the World League all full of piss and vinegar, and promptly lost our first six games. According to some theories we were done, goose cooked, hung out to dry, however you want to phrase it, LOSERS.
we righted the ship a little bit, and managed to go 6-4 the rest of the regular season ending with a 6-10 season, sneaking into the playoffs; not thru the backdoor, but thru the sewers, we stunk. Guess what ?, we won the next 3 games, yeah, that's right, world league champs.

So, If you were to believe that I don't put much stock into morale carrying over from game to game, you would be right, and if you were a betting person, you would make a bunch placing that bet.

Kudos for that, and I assure you that was our plan, we just lost too many games in the 4th quarter we had been winning which is unfortunate because it seemed like being ahead in the 4th we shoulda/coulda won some of those and it would have been a completely different story if we had- and mostly it was because we got fooled by certain things you really only see in WL, and by the time we played them again, it was too late, unlike in Pro where you know if they fool you the first time you will have a second chance to adjust. I am guessing the players on your team that won WL must have had at least somewhat higher confidence than us, because for us it was approximately 6 games that our players played 'right', more or less. After the 6th loss, it was impossible. Guys in coverage were doing like rookie dots where half the time they just stand there seemingly not even realizing the play started and guys in zone taking 10 times longer than usual to react at all to a ball thrown right into their area. The difference was stark. The same defensive plays which had stopped certain offensive plays consistently the last time we played a team, at that point it wouldn't work at all. There comes a point when the morale is too low for the player to play anymore, and we had reached it- not for the game, but for the season. It only took 6 games for most of the players, and then it was pointless. We still kept trying thinking that just one win would greatly improve the morale and get us back on track, but once we were mathematically eliminated, we packed it up for the season. There is no point in struggling just to win a couple games. For a team to be proud that they went 1-15 or 3-13 is just loser talk... as far as I'm concerned its no different from 0-16. Its all crap. I'm not going Bobby Boucher and saying "if you're not first, you're last." There's still second place, and third... even fourth- but in GLB where 4 make the play-offs, everything else is last place. When the season was lost, it was lost and the only thing to do was to figure out how to retool for the next one. I'm sure many other teams have been in the exact same position their first time in WL. The key I believe is getting back there. I'm not sure who has ever won WL the first season they were in it, at least in 'modern' GLB. We learned by experience where we need to be better and hopefully we can make enough of those adjustments now or else it will have to be when we reboot in a couple seasons, but that's just how it is. You live and learn. Maybe some never learn... that's never been us. People can say what they want, but we came up quick by learning from our mistakes. I personally don't expect that to change. It didn't change, the morale was just too low for the adjustments we made to do anything at that point. We are already much better prepared for next time.

None of this is relevant at all to the season 88 thread, when we were not here this season. If people want to discuss the possible effect of morale and confidence, I'm all for it, being as we just had an up close and personal lesson on how that all goes down. Anyone who just wants to talk about our last season, they are losers who I'm not going to acknowledge anymore. They need to take care of their own business.