Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Slocus
Are you talking about peewee?

Yes. Thanks. I wrote it at the end of a long day. Now corrected.

TP - where your logic breaks down for me is that you claim it's all about the competition and say you wish more teams were on short term build plans like yourself because that would increase competition, while you acknowledge that most teams are on long term build plans which gives them a disadvantage in early seasons to short term builders. But knowing that, if you are trying to maximize competition, you should stick to a long term build plan but still try to compete to win early seasons. That's what would maximize competition. Instead of you asking the majority of good teams who build long term to build short term instead to create a level and competitive field it would be easier for you to also build long term and you would create a more level and competitive field that way. It's the same amount of level and competitive if everyone builds long term. You also bring up the point that some good teams building long term basically just throw in the towel and don't even try to compete in early seasons. But GLB segments those teams into lower leagues so the teams trying to compete rise. I'm building long term and find it's more of a competition and a challenge for me to stick to my long term build yet still try to be competitive in lower leagues. If it was really about maximizing competition I think you'd be doing the same. The only reason to do what you are doing is to reduce competition and get easier trophies in lower level leagues.

LB is at least not trying to pretend to be something he's not. He admits he has none of the traits that make a good strategy gamer and that his focus is on what is most fun in the short term, so he's clearly just trying to trophy hound lower level trophies and then reboot when other teams get more competitive. But as LB says, he recognizes that you and he are really bottom line the same. You try to lipstick it up a bit, but I have to agree. It's clear you're both trying to minimize competition not maximize it.

Originally posted by Sly
TP - where your logic breaks down for me is that you claim it's all about the competition and say you wish more teams were on short term build plans like yourself because that would increase competition, while you acknowledge that most teams are on long term build plans which gives them a disadvantage in early seasons to short term builders. But knowing that, if you are trying to maximize competition, you should stick to a long term build plan but still try to compete to win early seasons. That's what would maximize competition. Instead of you asking the majority of good teams who build long term to build short term instead to create a level and competitive field it would be easier for you to also build long term and you would create a more level and competitive field that way. It's the same amount of level and competitive if everyone builds long term. You also bring up the point that some good teams building long term basically just throw in the towel and don't even try to compete in early seasons. But GLB segments those teams into lower leagues so the teams trying to compete rise. I'm building long term and find it's more of a competition and a challenge for me to stick to my long term build yet still try to be competitive in lower leagues. If it was really about maximizing competition I think you'd be doing the same. The only reason to do what you are doing is to reduce competition and get easier trophies in lower level leagues.

LB is at least not trying to pretend to be something he's not. He admits he has none of the traits that make a good strategy gamer and that his focus is on what is most fun in the short term, so he's clearly just trying to trophy hound lower level trophies and then reboot when other teams get more competitive. But as LB says, he recognizes that you and he are really bottom line the same. You try to lipstick it up a bit, but I have to agree. It's clear you're both trying to minimize competition not maximize it.

I don't want to maximize competition with dots who can't do anything interesting. Sure, I could build dots with no stamina, no SAs, but this is like lowest common denominator "warm body" football. The whole reason dots have % eq and SAs is so that you can tailor them to specific functions and do interesting things with them, work them into a gameplan that suits their abilities. So what I would really like is a kind of peewee gold competition that extends beyond season 1.

Essentially, I am saying, why should teams that want to build short term not do that and do something much less fun (e.g. currently building a LOT now that is agility first ) just because other teams are doing that? Couldn't I turn that argument on it's head and say that if you really cared about competition you would build more short term since that is what I am doing?

I don't think I'm being disingenuous at all. I tried this, I think it was a blast and I am hoping other teams will do the same. And I genuinely don't think it will be any less fun with more teams doing the same thing that I am. All my playoff games last season were very tough and required a lot of gameplanning (29-7, 23-14 - not easy titles by any stretch). I love that and would love to have it continue.

One of your playoff games last season was against my team. We were giving up 3 levels plus had a lot of unspent build points. Despite this, we held your team to 144 yards total offense. However you won on special teams, because there's limited game planning that can be done on special teams and under-leveled dots have the biggest problem there. Your comments that you thought you won because of game planning are just naive. If teams followed your suggestion you probably wouldn't even be making the playoffs. You'd be crushed and it would stop being fun for you because everything that you consider "fun" is dependent on you having a huge build advantage on most of your opponents, and the other short term builders who might give you a run having really weak AI's.

Now you've changed your story that you don't want the most competition, because as I already said you'd achieve that by building long term dots and challenging yourself. Your story now is that you want dots that can do more "interesting" things. But the truth is that older dots can do far more "interesting" things than younger dots. So if you were really all about having the most "interesting" dots you'd be building long term like most of us, who really do prefer the most interesting dots. But your dots will never be as interesting as anyone building long term because you're stunting their growth.

You give some silly comments that you thought your Prep dots were "interesting" because you had a bit more stamina and some points in SAs. But, really, how much higher stamina did your Prep dots have than mine who didn't put anything in stamina? Are we talking 10 points here? How much higher were your SAs? Maybe a couple of points higher? Do you really think you trading off that extra bit of stamina and couple of points in some SAs instead of putting those points into something that would have made more sense for a long term build approach suddenly made your Prep dots "interesting"? Because they didn't look interesting on the film. You have boring young dots, as all young dots are, and they will be even more boring older dots, because by that time they'll be so far behind the build curve that they can't compete. The way you're choosing to win some lower level trophies is a complete waste of time for anybody who really wants an interesting challenge because you're ducking all the good teams and going after baby hardware that no good players really care much about.

You don't want a challenge. Your stunted baby dots are hardly interesting compared to well built, fully grown dots, and your dots will never become anything interesting. Furthermore, you're not after anything interesting, and despite your claim that you'd like competition everything you're doing is all about ducking the most competitive teams - in fact, you've already admitted that you've given up all hope of being able to compete at the highest levels, with that whole song and dance about how there's a handful of top WL teams that are just going to crush everybody so whats the point?

LB does the same thing but he admits to who he is and what's he's doing. I'm not impressed by what he's doing but I do respect that at least he's honest. You do the same thing he does but you're not honest. Instead you try to shroud the whole thing with a bunch of ultimately illogical claims, which is just that much more unimpressive.

The typing and editing skill is spectacular in this forum.

long term....3 and out



I hope that everyone does BOTH.......I loved 3&out but I also want to move all the way up as well. If everyone stops making long term dots the game will end....

on that note I was until this season on a 3 and out team that has made it all the way to WL with only cutting a few dots along the way. They also set a game record of wins.....

Weapons of Mass Destruction......D3 is owner....look it up He figured out how to do it right

Originally posted by Sly
One of your playoff games last season was against my team. We were giving up 3 levels plus had a lot of unspent build points. Despite this, we held your team to 144 yards total offense. However you won on special teams, because there's limited game planning that can be done on special teams and under-leveled dots have the biggest problem there. Your comments that you thought you won because of game planning are just naive. If teams followed your suggestion you probably wouldn't even be making the playoffs. You'd be crushed and it would stop being fun for you because everything that you consider "fun" is dependent on you having a huge build advantage on most of your opponents, and the other short term builders who might give you a run having really weak AI's.

Now you've changed your story that you don't want the most competition, because as I already said you'd achieve that by building long term dots and challenging yourself. Your story now is that you want dots that can do more "interesting" things. But the truth is that older dots can do far more "interesting" things than younger dots. So if you were really all about having the most "interesting" dots you'd be building long term like most of us, who really do prefer the most interesting dots. But your dots will never be as interesting as anyone building long term because you're stunting their growth.

You give some silly comments that you thought your Prep dots were "interesting" because you had a bit more stamina and some points in SAs. But, really, how much higher stamina did your Prep dots have than mine who didn't put anything in stamina? Are we talking 10 points here? How much higher were your SAs? Maybe a couple of points higher? Do you really think you trading off that extra bit of stamina and couple of points in some SAs instead of putting those points into something that would have made more sense for a long term build approach suddenly made your Prep dots "interesting"? Because they didn't look interesting on the film. You have boring young dots, as all young dots are, and they will be even more boring older dots, because by that time they'll be so far behind the build curve that they can't compete. The way you're choosing to win some lower level trophies is a complete waste of time for anybody who really wants an interesting challenge because you're ducking all the good teams and going after baby hardware that no good players really care much about.

You don't want a challenge. Your stunted baby dots are hardly interesting compared to well built, fully grown dots, and your dots will never become anything interesting. Furthermore, you're not after anything interesting, and despite your claim that you'd like competition everything you're doing is all about ducking the most competitive teams - in fact, you've already admitted that you've given up all hope of being able to compete at the highest levels, with that whole song and dance about how there's a handful of top WL teams that are just going to crush everybody so whats the point?

LB does the same thing but he admits to who he is and what's he's doing. I'm not impressed by what he's doing but I do respect that at least he's honest. You do the same thing he does but you're not honest. Instead you try to shroud the whole thing with a bunch of ultimately illogical claims, which is just that much more unimpressive.

My guys have 50+ stamina. http://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/player.pl?player_id=4632358 I don't mind opening up any of my dots - I just did. You can take a look at them. I have about 7 players dedicated to STs so I don't feel too bad about winning a game with STs. Good STs was a big part of my roster design. My team only runs, so when you do that you can focus more on STs and defense.

As far as competition, I have won championships at pretty much every level as a team co-owner, OC, DC, just having players on a team. I've done peewee, pro, everything in between, casual, I currently DC teams in WL, pro, all the way down to university. I have no problem with competition and I quite enjoy it. I was simply saying that I wish people would build more short term and try it out rather than just being WL or bust. WL is fun, but the WL or bust attitude combined with the game's building system (and some other things) is pretty much what killed GLB 1 because it has made lower level play mindless and uninspired. In fact, this very reality is the whole reason bort made GLB 2, misguided as I think that was, to get people to build more short term and to stop viewing lower leagues as just something you endure to get to the pros, where play really matters. When I started GLB, this is how we built, and it was fun and awesome, and trying it again has reminded me of why I liked this game so much in the first place. And I honestly believe I would like it MORE, not less if more people did what I am doing because I enjoy the competition. Not just competition because all of the teams I am playing against are equally bad, which is basically what lower level leagues are now, but competition because all of the teams are equally good, which is what happens at higher levels, at the peewee level, and what could happen if more people built short term.

Based on the dot you opened, as opposed to what you could have done with a reasonable long-term build, you've sacrificed some development in your 2nd - 4th abilities in order to raise a 5th ability to 48 and spend a few points on SAs. But this is also on a dot you've early boosted to level 34. But if instead of 48 in your 5th ability you had about 20 like I do and also reversing the few extra non-equipment points you put in SAs, but you also had in return better numbers on the 2nd - 4th abilities, the dot would not be noticeably more or less interesting in what it could do on the field.

This strategy is, admittedly, more likely to win on special teams at lower levels, but only because good players don't want to sacrifice their long term builds to win a baby trophy. Your special teams are not special or interesting, they're just unchallenged by many teams at this level. I'd be happy to let you put up your most accomplished special teams dot - I'm sure if you've been running a 7+ dedicated special teamer approach for awhile now you must have something - and I'll put up mine and mine will have 300% better accomplishments than yours, from which I conclude if we were both short-term that I'd be blowing your team away on special teams just like O and D, as would any other good coordinator.

Which brings us to your description of your accomplishments. You say you've won on every level, but not in the modern sim. Since S28 all of your trophies have been in the minor leagues. You brag that you're a coordinator of a WL team but you don't have the trophy from when they won their Pro league in S51. So you're basically stepping in to a position that reached that level of accomplishment based in the efforts of other people and you're bragging about it when all you've done is lost the majority of your preseason scrimmages. I also conclude that your "co-owner" role is mostly symbolic, because looking at the O and D on your own team I see you're not a very good coordinator. You're better than some of the short term build crowd but you're not anywhere near WL quality, even though your buddy may have let you take over a spot there when the prior guy left. Which means anything you've accomplished is via coat tailing on other people or else trying to avoid competition like you're doing with this short term build silliness.

In my opinion it's people like you who go bat crazy over baby trophies to the point where you sacrifice your long term builds that makes the lower leagues mindless and uninspired for most of the rest of us. I understand why many good owners just choose to tune out for a few seasons. However, if there were less poachers like you then the early minor leagues would be more balanced and interesting for everyone else. Not you of course because you clearly can't compete on a level playing field. After a few seasons all the poachers like you either reset or get demoted because their teams are unwisely built, and from then on it is a lot more interesting and inspiring for good builders.

Your contention that PeeWee is similar to upper levels is just beyond silly. PeeWee dots are not interesting at all compared to upper level dots. Bolton line very few people choose to play in PeeWee compared to the number of teams in Pro and WL. The people have spoken - your nonsense is refuted.

You wanting to basically extend PeeWee is equally silly. If you think PeeWee is the answer then put your team in PeeWee. But you're not doing that are you? Because you might actually face a lot of competition there, and your whole false pretense would be exposed. Again, the people have spoken - most people don't like Pee Wee because all young dots are boring so extended PeeWee is not the savior of GLB.

Actually I have some very good ideas about things that could really revive GLB, and they're certainly much better than the extended PeeWee that you keep mentioning. If we were having something resembling a conversation I'd be happy to discuss. But all I'm seeing is you making one ridulous claim after another.

So to review your ever-changing story:

1) first you claimed you were all about competition but after it was exposed you actually were avoiding the route that would give you more competition you ditched that story
2) next you claimed you were all about the most interesting dots but after it was exposed the most interesting dots are older dots that result from long term builds you ditched that story.
3) next you claimed you were all about PeeWee but when it was pointed out you could just put your team in PeeWee if you love it so much and also that PeeWee is far less popular than upper level leagues that story also got exposed as malarkey.

All along it's been pretty evident what you're really all about is poaching trophies that are lightly contested because most good builders would rather have an interesting long term dot than a baby league trophy.

HUUMMMMMMMMMMMM

yall just killing time and taken up space on our season forum.......

Originally posted by Sly
Based on the dot you opened, as opposed to what you could have done with a reasonable long-term build, you've sacrificed some development in your 2nd - 4th abilities in order to raise a 5th ability to 48 and spend a few points on SAs. But this is also on a dot you've early boosted to level 34. But if instead of 48 in your 5th ability you had about 20 like I do and also reversing the few extra non-equipment points you put in SAs, but you also had in return better numbers on the 2nd - 4th abilities, the dot would not be noticeably more or less interesting in what it could do on the field.

This strategy is, admittedly, more likely to win on special teams at lower levels, but only because good players don't want to sacrifice their long term builds to win a baby trophy. Your special teams are not special or interesting, they're just unchallenged by many teams at this level. I'd be happy to let you put up your most accomplished special teams dot - I'm sure if you've been running a 7+ dedicated special teamer approach for awhile now you must have something - and I'll put up mine and mine will have 300% better accomplishments than yours, from which I conclude if we were both short-term that I'd be blowing your team away on special teams just like O and D, as would any other good coordinator.

Which brings us to your description of your accomplishments. You say you've won on every level, but not in the modern sim. Since S28 all of your trophies have been in the minor leagues. You brag that you're a coordinator of a WL team but you don't have the trophy from when they won their Pro league in S51. So you're basically stepping in to a position that reached that level of accomplishment based in the efforts of other people and you're bragging about it when all you've done is lost the majority of your preseason scrimmages. I also conclude that your "co-owner" role is mostly symbolic, because looking at the O and D on your own team I see you're not a very good coordinator. You're better than some of the short term build crowd but you're not anywhere near WL quality, even though your buddy may have let you take over a spot there when the prior guy left. Which means anything you've accomplished is via coat tailing on other people or else trying to avoid competition like you're doing with this short term build silliness.

In my opinion it's people like you who go bat crazy over baby trophies to the point where you sacrifice your long term builds that makes the lower leagues mindless and uninspired for most of the rest of us. I understand why many good owners just choose to tune out for a few seasons. However, if there were less poachers like you then the early minor leagues would be more balanced and interesting for everyone else. Not you of course because you clearly can't compete on a level playing field. After a few seasons all the poachers like you either reset or get demoted because their teams are unwisely built, and from then on it is a lot more interesting and inspiring for good builders.

Your contention that PeeWee is similar to upper levels is just beyond silly. PeeWee dots are not interesting at all compared to upper level dots. Bolton line very few people choose to play in PeeWee compared to the number of teams in Pro and WL. The people have spoken - your nonsense is refuted.

You wanting to basically extend PeeWee is equally silly. If you think PeeWee is the answer then put your team in PeeWee. But you're not doing that are you? Because you might actually face a lot of competition there, and your whole false pretense would be exposed. Again, the people have spoken - most people don't like Pee Wee because all young dots are boring so extended PeeWee is not the savior of GLB.

Actually I have some very good ideas about things that could really revive GLB, and they're certainly much better than the extended PeeWee that you keep mentioning. If we were having something resembling a conversation I'd be happy to discuss. But all I'm seeing is you making one ridulous claim after another.

So to review your ever-changing story:

1) first you claimed you were all about competition but after it was exposed you actually were avoiding the route that would give you more competition you ditched that story
2) next you claimed you were all about the most interesting dots but after it was exposed the most interesting dots are older dots that result from long term builds you ditched that story.
3) next you claimed you were all about PeeWee but when it was pointed out you could just put your team in PeeWee if you love it so much and also that PeeWee is far less popular than upper level leagues that story also got exposed as malarkey.

All along it's been pretty evident what you're really all about is poaching trophies that are lightly contested because most good builders would rather have an interesting long term dot than a baby league trophy.

I opened every player on my roster. You can look at any and all of them if you want. I'd be happy to show you any of my current or retired dots if you think I can't build high level dots. As a forum moderator my primary goal with this conversation was to make you respect LB more and so I feel I have been successful.

Originally posted by tpaterniti
As a forum moderator my primary goal with this conversation was to make you respect LB more and so I feel I have been successful.
Dude, thanks for the effort
...but I do not need or want respect from guys like him. He is embedded in the system, this happens sometimes, if gamers stick to a game for too long. They then cling to "the only truth" almost religiously, because of the time spent in that game. I am ok with that. And all the rest is semantics...
We could go on for pages upon pages, but it already gets boring, so lets get some more game talk going

Enroll to the tourny, slackers! Do you want me to win it again?

And sly: boost your dots, or do you want to emulate gamer75? You´re not as good as he is.

To the rest of you silent teams: Cmon, try to beat my low level league team and fail!

There, I said it...

Originally posted by LBcoach

so lets get some more game talk going

To the rest of you silent teams: Cmon, try to beat my low level league team and fail!

There, I said it...


Hummmmm I'll take that challenge

Originally posted by tpaterniti
I opened every player on my roster. You can look at any and all of them if you want. I'd be happy to show you any of my current or retired dots if you think I can't build high level dots. As a forum moderator my primary goal with this conversation was to make you respect LB more and so I feel I have been successful.

Not sure why you felt LB needed your protection but that fact that you just said you did just lost any remaining respect I had for LB, excuse me, "skirts" - LB's new name. Honestly, I think you're lying, not only because I have busted you on them on several other occasions, because there was so little dialogue between LB and I before you started your nonsense and what are we to believe - that you were pre-emotively protecting LB in case I might say something bad to LB in the future? But LB has still become "skirts" for the rest of existence.

Also, because you did it all so poorly, and got caught in so many lies and logical errors that were so easily exposed. Not only did you cause me to lose all respect for LB, I also lost all respect for you.

But, hey, you're a poser so why not declare that you feel you've been successful? I do admit I haven't laughed in a long time as much as when I have read your posts, so at least you have that going for you.

Originally posted by LBcoach

Dude, thanks for the effort
...but I do not need or want respect from guys like him. He is embedded in the system, this happens sometimes, if gamers stick to a game for too long. They then cling to "the only truth" almost religiously, because of the time spent in that game. I am ok with that. And all the rest is semantics...
We could go on for pages upon pages, but it already gets boring, so lets get some more game talk going

Enroll to the tourny, slackers! Do you want me to win it again?

And sly: boost your dots, or do you want to emulate gamer75? You´re not as good as he is.

To the rest of you silent teams: Cmon, try to beat my low level league team and fail!

There, I said it...

What's that skirts? Hey I might be about to say something in response so you better go love on another mod cause the big, bad Sly might be coming for you!

Originally posted by Sly
Not sure why you felt LB needed your protection but that fact that you just said you did just lost any remaining respect I had for LB, excuse me, "skirts" - LB's new name. Honestly, I think you're lying, not only because I have busted you on them on several other occasions, because there was so little dialogue between LB and I before you started your nonsense and what are we to believe - that you were pre-emotively protecting LB in case I might say something bad to LB in the future? But LB has still become "skirts" for the rest of existence.

Also, because you did it all so poorly, and got caught in so many lies and logical errors that were so easily exposed. Not only did you cause me to lose all respect for LB, I also lost all respect for you.

But, hey, you're a poser so why not declare that you feel you've been successful? I do admit I haven't laughed in a long time as much as when I have read your posts, so at least you have that going for you.





Dude, it was a joke. I am happy I can make you laugh though and bring some joy to your life. *Eagerly awaits 500 words where you read a lot into what I just said and prove that my attempt to bring joy to you was foolish and self-serving*