Is it possible to get more details?
Aug 14, 2012
- Fixed a couple more timeout logic issues
Aug 14, 2012
- Fixed a couple more timeout logic issues
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Originally posted by voegma
SG21 you make to much sense, that's the problem. A safety should be able to analyze a play and make the call to stay deep if a threat if felt or move forward in his zone, or to go even deeper in a zone if set to shallow or medium if a threat if felt. To give him rules like he is in a deep zone therefore he can't react to the run well is crazy. If you say that a deep zone safety will not react well to the run then why is it still that they react so poorly to a deep threat IN THEIR ZONE!
Catch/Bort your logic makes no FOOTBALL LOGIC.
If you throw your safeties in to a medium zone to protect the run all the offense is going to do is put in a blocking TE, blocking FB and a rusher in and then throw in their 2 speed catch fakes WRs. This will tell the DC that it will be a run and then the OC will throw long all day since the safety will not be able to get deep enough since your shallow, medium and deep logic has never really been correct.
The safeties need to move to the biggest threat, ie move forward to catch the HB coming out of the backfield with the ball, which the safety should be able to read, or stay back in his zone if the QB is rolling out if a threat (WR, TE etc) are in his zone. It should not be well "I'm in deep zone, I will just sit back here and pick my nose, until the ball crosses the LOS." Especially if the HB is moving with the ball to the strong side with no threat even on the strong side of the field.
FOOTBALL LOGIC should win over a steadfast coded rule.
That is what happens when the dude telling Bort what to do is a poker player. Not a football player
SG21 you make to much sense, that's the problem. A safety should be able to analyze a play and make the call to stay deep if a threat if felt or move forward in his zone, or to go even deeper in a zone if set to shallow or medium if a threat if felt. To give him rules like he is in a deep zone therefore he can't react to the run well is crazy. If you say that a deep zone safety will not react well to the run then why is it still that they react so poorly to a deep threat IN THEIR ZONE!
Catch/Bort your logic makes no FOOTBALL LOGIC.
If you throw your safeties in to a medium zone to protect the run all the offense is going to do is put in a blocking TE, blocking FB and a rusher in and then throw in their 2 speed catch fakes WRs. This will tell the DC that it will be a run and then the OC will throw long all day since the safety will not be able to get deep enough since your shallow, medium and deep logic has never really been correct.
The safeties need to move to the biggest threat, ie move forward to catch the HB coming out of the backfield with the ball, which the safety should be able to read, or stay back in his zone if the QB is rolling out if a threat (WR, TE etc) are in his zone. It should not be well "I'm in deep zone, I will just sit back here and pick my nose, until the ball crosses the LOS." Especially if the HB is moving with the ball to the strong side with no threat even on the strong side of the field.
FOOTBALL LOGIC should win over a steadfast coded rule.
That is what happens when the dude telling Bort what to do is a poker player. Not a football player
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Originally posted by ghuffman
Come on man, i know you are not new to this. You have to adjust you defense to the sim. It doesn't work the other way.
That is what preseason and scims are for. To see what the sim is doing and make changes to your AI. Don't spend too much energy trying to get things changed for your AI to work better. Spend your energy changing your AI to work with what you got.
Oh I am adjusting, the question is why should I have to? Zones as is are not following sound logic and any competent OC will be able to manipulate the situation to their advantage.
Come on man, i know you are not new to this. You have to adjust you defense to the sim. It doesn't work the other way.
That is what preseason and scims are for. To see what the sim is doing and make changes to your AI. Don't spend too much energy trying to get things changed for your AI to work better. Spend your energy changing your AI to work with what you got.
Oh I am adjusting, the question is why should I have to? Zones as is are not following sound logic and any competent OC will be able to manipulate the situation to their advantage.
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Originally posted by Catch22
I mean the Assignment - Cover Zone Deep, Cover Zone Medium, Cover Zone Shallow, Cover Zone Immediately, Cover Man, etc;
This play for example all defenders except for the DL are Cover Zone Medium and the FS that makes the tackle is Deep Weak Half zone:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2113036&pbp_id=976481
are they set only to zone, or are they reading HB first?
In general most of my plays the zones are set to medium already
I mean the Assignment - Cover Zone Deep, Cover Zone Medium, Cover Zone Shallow, Cover Zone Immediately, Cover Man, etc;
This play for example all defenders except for the DL are Cover Zone Medium and the FS that makes the tackle is Deep Weak Half zone:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2113036&pbp_id=976481
are they set only to zone, or are they reading HB first?
In general most of my plays the zones are set to medium already
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Originally posted by jakobnielsen
are they set only to zone, or are they reading HB first?
In general most of my plays the zones are set to medium already
I think they must be set only to zone.
Otherwise, you don't get to choose deep, medium, shallow, etc.
are they set only to zone, or are they reading HB first?
In general most of my plays the zones are set to medium already
I think they must be set only to zone.
Otherwise, you don't get to choose deep, medium, shallow, etc.
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Originally posted by voegma
This is fucking stupid. GLB keeps making offense easier and defense harder. Offense bitches about blitzes and FB blocking etc and they get a fix. Defense gets a little help in not making the zone safeties get beat deep, and in the process they can't defend the run well now and the zone logic gets a little more fucked up. Thanks for all the extra fucking work.
They can defend the run, but not very well while assigned to a deep zone. Everyone is going to have to play now, can't just put the safety deep and have them do it all. Couple examples for you, run is easy to shut down. Just got to play honest now and not expect one or two "go to plays" to get it all done anymore.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2147269&pbp_id=1059961
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2147269&pbp_id=1060981
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2147269&pbp_id=1057804
This is fucking stupid. GLB keeps making offense easier and defense harder. Offense bitches about blitzes and FB blocking etc and they get a fix. Defense gets a little help in not making the zone safeties get beat deep, and in the process they can't defend the run well now and the zone logic gets a little more fucked up. Thanks for all the extra fucking work.
They can defend the run, but not very well while assigned to a deep zone. Everyone is going to have to play now, can't just put the safety deep and have them do it all. Couple examples for you, run is easy to shut down. Just got to play honest now and not expect one or two "go to plays" to get it all done anymore.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2147269&pbp_id=1059961
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2147269&pbp_id=1060981
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2147269&pbp_id=1057804
Edited by Dr. E on Aug 15, 2012 20:19:41
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Originally posted by SG✬21
So I'm guessing its been hard coded that the safety must stay in his zone until the back crosses the LoS? Because thats all I've seen so far, the safeties break on the HB the instant he crosses the LoS. I agree before that sometimes the safeties could break right on the hand-off and go the HB but it seems we've gone from one extreme to another.
When a rQB is in i do think its fine if the players stay in those deep zones as they must wait for the QB to cross the LoS to be sure, but on a hand-off to a HB?... I really think there is some middle ground that can be achieved here so the offense isn't completely dominant. Seems the offense has had quite there way for some time now and this will only help them. They got there FB blocking fixed and any exploit blitz or just reasonable blitz nerfed, not to mention they have this now too..
As a DC my job was already hard to begin with and now I have this to deal with as well. Now most OCs only have to throw in a few outside runs and some deep passes to catch fake WRs and they are done.
As for saying that we can play the safeties in under or shallow zones, that only works if they offense only runs the ball. If a pass is called we are screwed since a WR in single coverage will usually win that catch roll pretty dang easily or the CB will do some weird shit and not even attempt to DB%
Just do it like this, HB weak/ deep weak half. The safety can do both with a setting like that.
So I'm guessing its been hard coded that the safety must stay in his zone until the back crosses the LoS? Because thats all I've seen so far, the safeties break on the HB the instant he crosses the LoS. I agree before that sometimes the safeties could break right on the hand-off and go the HB but it seems we've gone from one extreme to another.
When a rQB is in i do think its fine if the players stay in those deep zones as they must wait for the QB to cross the LoS to be sure, but on a hand-off to a HB?... I really think there is some middle ground that can be achieved here so the offense isn't completely dominant. Seems the offense has had quite there way for some time now and this will only help them. They got there FB blocking fixed and any exploit blitz or just reasonable blitz nerfed, not to mention they have this now too..
As a DC my job was already hard to begin with and now I have this to deal with as well. Now most OCs only have to throw in a few outside runs and some deep passes to catch fake WRs and they are done.
As for saying that we can play the safeties in under or shallow zones, that only works if they offense only runs the ball. If a pass is called we are screwed since a WR in single coverage will usually win that catch roll pretty dang easily or the CB will do some weird shit and not even attempt to DB%
Just do it like this, HB weak/ deep weak half. The safety can do both with a setting like that.
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Originally posted by Dr. E
Just do it like this, HB weak/ deep weak half. The safety can do both with a setting like that.
The only thing i don't like is if it is a pass and the HB goes to the weak side i have no help over the top and in GLB when a WR is single coverage he usually wins the catch roll
Just do it like this, HB weak/ deep weak half. The safety can do both with a setting like that.
The only thing i don't like is if it is a pass and the HB goes to the weak side i have no help over the top and in GLB when a WR is single coverage he usually wins the catch roll
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Originally posted by SG✬21
The only thing i don't like is if it is a pass and the HB goes to the weak side i have no help over the top and in GLB when a WR is single coverage he usually wins the catch roll
Exactly. Got to scout, can't sit on one D and expect to get it done anymore. Or, you could just go with the trends. They serve well enough to get a team into the playoffs no matter what league.
The only thing i don't like is if it is a pass and the HB goes to the weak side i have no help over the top and in GLB when a WR is single coverage he usually wins the catch roll
Exactly. Got to scout, can't sit on one D and expect to get it done anymore. Or, you could just go with the trends. They serve well enough to get a team into the playoffs no matter what league.
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Originally posted by Redass Ranch
Is it possible to get more details?
Aug 14, 2012
- Fixed a couple more timeout logic issues
Described the two fixes in this thread:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4965279
Is it possible to get more details?
Aug 14, 2012
- Fixed a couple more timeout logic issues
Described the two fixes in this thread:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4965279
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Originally posted by Dr. E
They can defend the run, but not very well while assigned to a deep zone.
one for the realist Originally posted by Joe Webb14
That is what happens when the dude telling Bort what to do is a poker player. Not a football player
They can defend the run, but not very well while assigned to a deep zone.
one for the realist Originally posted by Joe Webb14
That is what happens when the dude telling Bort what to do is a poker player. Not a football player
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