So, what is the math explanation for 3 stars and not 4? If you can get 4 AEQ and 4 stars, why would that not be a good idea?
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Hagalaz
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from (I think) 79 to 97 4 stars gives you the same return when 4-way multi-ing that 3 stars does, due to rounding. This means that in this level of training, which is the vast majority of your players' careers, you'd effectively be paying 24 BT to get no gain at all. There's no math, just find a table with the training returns and see the values. No calculations whatsoever are required.
Originally posted by aaasahi
Are you saying this http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2249012 and this http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2264403 ?
Man, your dot doesn't look like they have full benefit from 4AEQ.
Yeah... I got all confuzzled and tried to buy 5 pieces of AEQ. Blew up my plan/budget. Otherwise, I would've had enough BT's to fill up 4 AEQ pieces. 
Those dots are nearing "recycle" time anyways and I usually don't make the same mistakes twice. 
Are you saying this http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2249012 and this http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2264403 ?
Man, your dot doesn't look like they have full benefit from 4AEQ.
Yeah... I got all confuzzled and tried to buy 5 pieces of AEQ. Blew up my plan/budget. Otherwise, I would've had enough BT's to fill up 4 AEQ pieces. Those dots are nearing "recycle" time anyways and I usually don't make the same mistakes twice. Edited by Theo Wizzago on May 20, 2012 21:48:26
Edited by Theo Wizzago on May 20, 2012 21:47:37
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Originally posted by zinkster
So, what is the math explanation for 3 stars and not 4? If you can get 4 AEQ and 4 stars, why would that not be a good idea?
You will not be able to have 4 aeq and 4 stars unless you stop your multi training and switch to light training.....this will need to be done when level is in the mid 60's and if so you will lose out on many valuable secessions of multi training and end up with an inferior build as compared to value of 4'th aeq
So, what is the math explanation for 3 stars and not 4? If you can get 4 AEQ and 4 stars, why would that not be a good idea?
You will not be able to have 4 aeq and 4 stars unless you stop your multi training and switch to light training.....this will need to be done when level is in the mid 60's and if so you will lose out on many valuable secessions of multi training and end up with an inferior build as compared to value of 4'th aeq
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Originally posted by rileyx4
You will not be able to have 4 aeq and 4 stars unless you stop your multi training and switch to light training.....this will need to be done when level is in the mid 60's and if so you will lose out on many valuable secessions of multi training and end up with an inferior build as compared to value of 4'th aeq
Eh... Even with 3 AEQ one has to stop multiing and start light training. You can only go 2 full pieces if you keep multi-ing. Your advice is wrong.
You will not be able to have 4 aeq and 4 stars unless you stop your multi training and switch to light training.....this will need to be done when level is in the mid 60's and if so you will lose out on many valuable secessions of multi training and end up with an inferior build as compared to value of 4'th aeq
Eh... Even with 3 AEQ one has to stop multiing and start light training. You can only go 2 full pieces if you keep multi-ing. Your advice is wrong.
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Originally posted by rileyx4
Advice is not wrong....a player can multi train easily to mid /late 60's and have 3 pcs. of fully loaded AEQ b-4 plateau....all 3 of my level 73 dots have never trained on light and all 3 have 3 pc's AEQ completed
well since this is the advice forum lets focus on normal users.
Most people dont get lucky enough shopping to max out 3 AEQ without ever training on light.
Advice is not wrong....a player can multi train easily to mid /late 60's and have 3 pcs. of fully loaded AEQ b-4 plateau....all 3 of my level 73 dots have never trained on light and all 3 have 3 pc's AEQ completed
well since this is the advice forum lets focus on normal users.
Most people dont get lucky enough shopping to max out 3 AEQ without ever training on light.
Originally posted by Hagalaz
I don't see how that is possible, but carry on.
It's possible if you only 2x enhance, don't buy many more than your original 3 extra multi training attributes (for quad training), only use 3 AEQ, and get lucky in the store. Though you will still have to switch to light around day 260 or so in order to make sure everything gets trained over without any wasteful training.
I don't see how that is possible, but carry on.
It's possible if you only 2x enhance, don't buy many more than your original 3 extra multi training attributes (for quad training), only use 3 AEQ, and get lucky in the store. Though you will still have to switch to light around day 260 or so in order to make sure everything gets trained over without any wasteful training.
Originally posted by bigtisme
well since this is the advice forum lets focus on normal users.
Most people dont get lucky enough shopping to max out 3 AEQ without ever training on light.
Actually, it's as much about WHEN you switch to multi-training as it is what type of training. I don't know exactly how the math works but if you build on day 40/41, boost, intense train until 1st GAME of regular season, light train until second primary skill hits 1st cap (with the spending of SP's you did at start of 1st regular season game if you play for a OWNERS team... or, if you spend 1st season on CPU team, you can wait even longer until spending SP's), then you can end up with between 900 and 1,000 BT's by day 281. I did and, as such, could buy 3 Maxed out AEQ's easy... 4 if you trim back a touch on the "stars"... which I felt the 5-4-3 system did just fine. I'll admit, you can probably buy your AEQ quicker if you don't go whole hog on the enhanced training... but that is strictly a dot builders preference. I will NOT say my way is the right/only way... just that it works well for me and how I build dots "under the current system". Every time GLB changes the system, I have to change how I build a little. But, mostly, all good dot builders DO train intense to start, and switch to multi train fairly asap... give or take a little for build types/styles.
I would also say the same for how many "stars" you purchase for your multi-training. There's a bucket load of schools of thought... even posted here... but, ultimately, it's what you're trying to accomplish with your build. For the mathematically inclined, I am sure you can boil all this down to a "formula" that gives you the "best bang for the build buck"... which, I also believe sucks a little because you end up with nothing but carbon copy players everywhere and no real "life" built into the game. But hey... that's just me, I guess. :shrug:
well since this is the advice forum lets focus on normal users.
Most people dont get lucky enough shopping to max out 3 AEQ without ever training on light.
Actually, it's as much about WHEN you switch to multi-training as it is what type of training. I don't know exactly how the math works but if you build on day 40/41, boost, intense train until 1st GAME of regular season, light train until second primary skill hits 1st cap (with the spending of SP's you did at start of 1st regular season game if you play for a OWNERS team... or, if you spend 1st season on CPU team, you can wait even longer until spending SP's), then you can end up with between 900 and 1,000 BT's by day 281. I did and, as such, could buy 3 Maxed out AEQ's easy... 4 if you trim back a touch on the "stars"... which I felt the 5-4-3 system did just fine. I'll admit, you can probably buy your AEQ quicker if you don't go whole hog on the enhanced training... but that is strictly a dot builders preference. I will NOT say my way is the right/only way... just that it works well for me and how I build dots "under the current system". Every time GLB changes the system, I have to change how I build a little. But, mostly, all good dot builders DO train intense to start, and switch to multi train fairly asap... give or take a little for build types/styles.
I would also say the same for how many "stars" you purchase for your multi-training. There's a bucket load of schools of thought... even posted here... but, ultimately, it's what you're trying to accomplish with your build. For the mathematically inclined, I am sure you can boil all this down to a "formula" that gives you the "best bang for the build buck"... which, I also believe sucks a little because you end up with nothing but carbon copy players everywhere and no real "life" built into the game. But hey... that's just me, I guess. :shrug:
Edited by Theo Wizzago on May 22, 2012 00:15:56
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This thread is just dumb. Multi-training through 280 + 112 off season days will net 1176 BT and that's even without unlocking multi-training or any training enhancements or calcing with intense training at the start. It's never gonna be enough for 3 aeq, let alone 4. You'd literally have to roll the exact aeq you want in the shop 3 times in a row, complete with suffix and +3 attributes and even then I don't even think it's possible.
Crappy builders really got a lifeline with SP value ignoring EQ bonuses, getting SP value on it's own is extremely easy, getting that + 4 aeq with the right stats is not.
Crappy builders really got a lifeline with SP value ignoring EQ bonuses, getting SP value on it's own is extremely easy, getting that + 4 aeq with the right stats is not.
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I don't think your method is working for you Theo. Most of your dots either have a EL equal to actual lvl or an EL LOWER than actual. You're throwing away a bunch of SP by waiting so long to multi-train.
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Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
Actually, it's as much about WHEN you switch to multi-training as it is what type of training. I don't know exactly how the math works but if you build on day 40/41, boost, intense train until 1st GAME of regular season, light train until second primary skill hits 1st cap (with the spending of SP's you did at start of 1st regular season game if you play for a OWNERS team... or, if you spend 1st season on CPU team, you can wait even longer until spending SP's), then you can end up with between 900 and 1,000 BT's by day 281.
hang on here. What are you talking about waiting longer to spend SPs? We dont hold SPs when we can take our #1 up to the next cap.
Also did you say light train in season 1? Its way more efficient to me light training at the end of the career rather than season 1.
Actually, it's as much about WHEN you switch to multi-training as it is what type of training. I don't know exactly how the math works but if you build on day 40/41, boost, intense train until 1st GAME of regular season, light train until second primary skill hits 1st cap (with the spending of SP's you did at start of 1st regular season game if you play for a OWNERS team... or, if you spend 1st season on CPU team, you can wait even longer until spending SP's), then you can end up with between 900 and 1,000 BT's by day 281.
hang on here. What are you talking about waiting longer to spend SPs? We dont hold SPs when we can take our #1 up to the next cap.
Also did you say light train in season 1? Its way more efficient to me light training at the end of the career rather than season 1.
Originally posted by bigtisme
hang on here. What are you talking about waiting longer to spend SPs? We dont hold SPs when we can take our #1 up to the next cap.
Also did you say light train in season 1? Its way more efficient to me light training at the end of the career rather than season 1.
I don't really wanna try to post all my notes here but, yeah... I light train a >little< in 1st season. Short version is as follows; Intense train primary until you get to cap level you want (different people do it differently so I won't try to go there). At that point, I "light train" my secondary until it hits 1st cap (usually doesn't take long since, by that time, you've spent your "held back" SP's). That usually gives me my preset target of BT's I want and then I can multi-train until I retire the dot. I will say I never considered "light training" at the end of a dot's career... will be something I can put into the ol' spread sheet to see how to make that work. Thanks.
hang on here. What are you talking about waiting longer to spend SPs? We dont hold SPs when we can take our #1 up to the next cap.
Also did you say light train in season 1? Its way more efficient to me light training at the end of the career rather than season 1.
I don't really wanna try to post all my notes here but, yeah... I light train a >little< in 1st season. Short version is as follows; Intense train primary until you get to cap level you want (different people do it differently so I won't try to go there). At that point, I "light train" my secondary until it hits 1st cap (usually doesn't take long since, by that time, you've spent your "held back" SP's). That usually gives me my preset target of BT's I want and then I can multi-train until I retire the dot. I will say I never considered "light training" at the end of a dot's career... will be something I can put into the ol' spread sheet to see how to make that work. Thanks.
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