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tautology
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Originally posted by AngryDragon
If they ever get the team rankings ironed out that could be a great tool for building brackets imo


Tourneys are seeded before the season even starts...you'd have to rely on previous season rankings which can be a little sketchy. probably fine for lower leagues I suppose, but Pro and WL has a lot more churn.

 
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Originally posted by tautology
Tourneys are seeded before the season even starts...you'd have to rely on previous season rankings which can be a little sketchy. probably fine for lower leagues I suppose, but Pro and WL has a lot more churn.



It is never going to be perfect. I think the best we can hope for is slightly better than it is now.
 
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Originally posted by AngryDragon

It is never going to be perfect. I think the best we can hope for is slightly better than it is now.


Yes, I agree 100%

Folks get incredibly worked up over these sorts of things without realizing the limitations of feasibility.

It's all very easy to figure the rankings after the games have been played, but it's not nearly as obvious before the season starts.

This is also very true with the WL conference split each season.

Edited by tautology on Nov 10, 2011 17:21:46
 
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subliminal shots ftw
 
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only true fair way to "RANK" for the GLB tournies is by EL
 
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Originally posted by Thundercat_12
only true fair way to "RANK" for the GLB tournies is by EL


lol, no. El is a decent barometer of how well dots are built but not at all a good indicator of how good the coordination of the team is. Look at the Steel Rain, they have some of the lower EL dots in Semi #2 but still manage to win against dots with huge EL advantages over them. Other teams with much higher EL often are not even getting any time from coordinators in the minors where they are just being incubated for Pro/WL. A great example is RNG who has had a massive EL advantage in this age group for the past few seasons but who aren't game planning on a game by game basis and don't really care to because they are just building them for another team.

I like Global Ranking as the method to rank teams. It rewards the teams that scrim a lot, enter a lot of tournaments and win most of their games. Yes, it isn't perfect because it goes off the previous seasons ranking but outside of Rookie where you have old team restarting I don't see it as being too far off the mark.
 
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Originally posted by merenoise
lol, no. El is a decent barometer of how well dots are built but not at all a good indicator of how good the coordination of the team is. Look at the Steel Rain, they have some of the lower EL dots in Semi #2 but still manage to win against dots with huge EL advantages over them. Other teams with much higher EL often are not even getting any time from coordinators in the minors where they are just being incubated for Pro/WL. A great example is RNG who has had a massive EL advantage in this age group for the past few seasons but who aren't game planning on a game by game basis and don't really care to because they are just building them for another team.

I like Global Ranking as the method to rank teams. It rewards the teams that scrim a lot, enter a lot of tournaments and win most of their games. Yes, it isn't perfect because it goes off the previous seasons ranking but outside of Rookie where you have old team restarting I don't see it as being too far off the mark.


lots of words here...
 
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Originally posted by merenoise
Originally posted by Thundercat_12

only true fair way to "RANK" for the GLB tournies is by EL


lol, no. El is a decent barometer of how well dots are built but not at all a good indicator of how good the coordination of the team is. Look at the Steel Rain, they have some of the lower EL dots in Semi #2 but still manage to win against dots with huge EL advantages over them. Other teams with much higher EL often are not even getting any time from coordinators in the minors where they are just being incubated for Pro/WL. A great example is RNG who has had a massive EL advantage in this age group for the past few seasons but who aren't game planning on a game by game basis and don't really care to because they are just building them for another team.

I like Global Ranking as the method to rank teams. It rewards the teams that scrim a lot, enter a lot of tournaments and win most of their games. Yes, it isn't perfect because it goes off the previous seasons ranking but outside of Rookie where you have old team restarting I don't see it as being too far off the mark.


you cant do global rankings at the start of the season, how many times we got to go over this, rosters change coords change etc. The only real constant is EL. Now I have a lower EL team myself but I GP my ass off. I get that EL isnt perfect but its the only real thing to base rankings off at the start of the season for tournies.
 
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Originally posted by Thundercat_12
you cant do global rankings at the start of the season, how many times we got to go over this, rosters change coords change etc. The only real constant is EL. Now I have a lower EL team myself but I GP my ass off. I get that EL isnt perfect but its the only real thing to base rankings off at the start of the season for tournies.


No... Thats the incentive to do well in the previous season to help your team to be seeded higher in the next seasons tourney

 
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Originally posted by SportzGamer21
No... Thats the incentive to do well in the previous season to help your team to be seeded higher in the next seasons tourney



Again what part of roster changes sim changes AI changes are you guys not getting obviously not understanding this from a WL~PRO level but those are all variables you can't base rankings on the only constant is EL

YOU CAN'T BASE THIS SEASON ON LAST SEASON... PERIOD!
 
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Originally posted by Thundercat_12
Originally posted by SportzGamer21

No... Thats the incentive to do well in the previous season to help your team to be seeded higher in the next seasons tourney



Again what part of roster changes sim changes AI changes are you guys not getting obviously not understanding this from a WL~PRO level but those are all variables you can't base rankings on the only constant is EL

YOU CAN'T BASE THIS SEASON ON LAST SEASON... PERIOD!


Unless the team changes ownership, global rank shouldn't be that far off, as far as sorting teams (better than random) for the GLB Tournament. It's very likely you have the same players (or similar players), the same coordinators, and the same opponents from season to season, unless you completely restart. While I'm now not as big of a fan of using GLB rank to seed teams, its a hell of a lot better than random draw. EL seems to be the fairest of the statistical values GLB uses (compared to GLB rank).
 
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Originally posted by Thundercat_12
Again what part of roster changes sim changes AI changes are you guys not getting obviously not understanding this from a WL~PRO level but those are all variables you can't base rankings on the only constant is EL

YOU CAN'T BASE THIS SEASON ON LAST SEASON... PERIOD!


Easy... tbh its not like your team was going to do much. the teams that are ranked the highest at the end of the season are e2 teams. so in all fairness they should be atop the seeding
 
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Originally posted by SportzGamer21
Originally posted by Thundercat_12

Again what part of roster changes sim changes AI changes are you guys not getting obviously not understanding this from a WL~PRO level but those are all variables you can't base rankings on the only constant is EL

YOU CAN'T BASE THIS SEASON ON LAST SEASON... PERIOD!


Easy... tbh its not like your team was going to do much. the teams that are ranked the highest at the end of the season are e2 teams. so in all fairness they should be atop the seeding


I agree i had no shot at winning the tourney, i'll let the older bullies in E2 battle it out
 
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Originally posted by SportzGamer21
Originally posted by Thundercat_12

you cant do global rankings at the start of the season, how many times we got to go over this, rosters change coords change etc. The only real constant is EL. Now I have a lower EL team myself but I GP my ass off. I get that EL isnt perfect but its the only real thing to base rankings off at the start of the season for tournies.


No... Thats the incentive to do well in the previous season to help your team to be seeded higher in the next seasons tourney



Bingo. I still can't understand why the two age groups were merged this season but if you look at the rankings for each league they are fairly accurate:

Ratings
Team Owned By League Score
206. RNG Chaos LT56 Semi Pro Elite #2 2711
264. Legion Of Dynamic Discord merenoise Semi Pro Elite #2 2618
272. Bogotá Roosters Ubasstards Semi Pro Elite #2 2600
292. Black Sea Seismos spindoctor02 Semi Pro Elite #2 2580
304. Laos Chaos Valen Semi Pro Elite #2 2563
314. Richey Royals Turner3233 Semi Pro Elite #2 2544
340. Manchester Titans Valen Semi Pro Elite #2 2517
399. Liechtenstein Lycans Cro Semi Pro Elite #2 2474
434. Bratislava Lambeau Leapers MVP Rodgers Semi Pro Elite #2 2454
446. Black Hand Assassins Gmaj7 Semi Pro Elite #2 2443
461. The LEGION'S Vancouver Gorillas rileyx4 Semi Pro Elite #2 2433
528. Apatity Awesome Sal Basss Semi Pro Elite #2 2397
555. Newport Newz Pitbullz brunswick1075 Semi Pro Elite #2 2382
566. Madrid Gangsters lemmonkeith Semi Pro Elite #2 2377
591. Regensburg Steel Rain AngryDragon Semi Pro Elite #2 2354
615. The Evil Empire lardaddy Semi Pro Elite #2 2340
632. Shock Collar Gladiators $MDM$ Semi Pro Elite #2 2332
833. The Globedotters: Stirling Four Horsemen Talcion Semi Pro Elite #2 2249
916. Cybertron War Machine im4ut999 Semi Pro Elite #2 2221
1029. The LEGION'S Lots Of Love djaco Semi Pro Elite #2 2188
1201. Austin Slackers slughead42 Semi Pro Elite #2 2157
1532. Barbary Coast Pirates Freddie Blassie Semi Pro Elite #2 2115
1720. Gananda Muskrats pringles Semi Pro Elite #2 2088
1990. New York Green Men jetsown09 Semi Pro Elite #2 2070
2158. D-Cup Dots SAVAGE OPS Semi Pro Elite #2 2044
2160. Fat Jaws Badness K-Money Semi Pro Elite #2 2044
2341. North America Noblemen Pounder Mince Semi Pro Elite #2 2031
2448. Axis: Destroyers haole Semi Pro Elite #2 2016
3113. Malicious Bengals Kaotik Semi Pro Elite #2 1959
3434. WAR MACHINE Beeerad37 Semi Pro Elite #2 1881
3439. Lunatic Fringe wyrenut Semi Pro Elite #2 1878
3458. Royal Assassins Social Assassin Semi Pro Elite #2 1872

283. Port Harcourt Playmakers SErebel11 Semi Pro Elite #1 2585
291. SDSU Aztecs Jaxx Semi Pro Elite #1 2582
303. Bubonic Bulls Heffmeister Semi Pro Elite #1 2564
361. Fat lot of help you guys are mrmaomao Semi Pro Elite #1 2502
363. Beograd Black Hand Bluehaze Semi Pro Elite #1 2500
402. Asmara Freedom Fighters Juicetice Semi Pro Elite #1 2473
421. Michigan Panthers minus_the_pain Semi Pro Elite #1 2464
456. Sin City Silent Assassins Unspoken Semi Pro Elite #1 2436
608. Osseo Outlaws relim82 Semi Pro Elite #1 2344
620. Permian Panthers Valen Semi Pro Elite #1 2337
678. Glass City Fightn' Thundercats Thundercat_12 Semi Pro Elite #1 2313
768. Empire State of Mind CaptainUniverse Semi Pro Elite #1 2276
930. Ocean City Crabs Aaron Rodgers Semi Pro Elite #1 2218
965. Springfield Shamrocks ports1369 Semi Pro Elite #1 2203
1142. Gunny Highway Boot Camp jrockk33 Semi Pro Elite #1 2175
1149. "Hardcore" Singapore Canes phantomlord2k Semi Pro Elite #1 2173
1713. San Angeles Demolition Men otterpop Semi Pro Elite #1 2089
1905. Mr. Bigglesworth Tajson Semi Pro Elite #1 2079
1968. Rhine Red Raiders mikeki Semi Pro Elite #1 2073
2054. Sterling Bulldawgs Bulldawgy Semi Pro Elite #1 2064
2164. Jersey Mets jace0221 Semi Pro Elite #1 2043
2426. Houston Cobra Smugglers webminds Semi Pro Elite #1 2025
2471. Kung Fu Island Ers perrin Semi Pro Elite #1 2012
2862. Vilnius Iron Wolves Myd Semi Pro Elite #1 1985
2899. Dublin Dragoons AnotherLawyer Semi Pro Elite #1 1983
2940. Edward Sharpe & The Magnetic Zeros bedgood42 Semi Pro Elite #1 1982
3085. West Ashley Tigers WestAshleyTiger Semi Pro Elite #1 1964
3119. San Antonio Heat Rikkhen Semi Pro Elite #1 1957
3132. Mount Krakatoa Eruption khamilton Semi Pro Elite #1 1951
3475. Fat Head Browns OrangeBurt Semi Pro Elite #1 1864
3501. Microbeer Brew Crew bornpackfan Semi Pro Elite #1 1850
3506. Las Vegas Nighthawks trad989 Semi Pro Elite #1 1846
Edited by merenoise on Nov 11, 2011 23:29:14
 
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bingo again !! see thundercat... if you want to slack off and have an elite team then think you should just be seeded high well your wrong.
 
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