Yup. There can be only one. Currently the only way to decide who is #1 between those leagues with multiple elites is through scrims and the tourny. For the same reason that I like the WL better than a bunch of Pro leagues and a tourny, this needs to happen.
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+1000000 same thing happened to our team last season we were a low playoff seed,went to elite and barely won a game it ruined recruiting
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lol at the people who dont like this, I dont think they understand the concept
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this won't do much to solve the biggest problem at the low levels--the sorting algorithm for the next season is based on record of the team for the previous season and teams at this level change a lot between the end of day 40 (when, possibly, the entire roster goes away) to day 41 (when the sort takes place) to day 1.
A the pro and world league level there isn't nearly the turnover as in these lower levels.
The sort should 1) take into account the effective level of the current roster, not just the record of the previous season, which may or may not even be the same personnel and 2) the sort should take place much later, like on day -1 or something. Pre-season scrims could still be set up, even if teams aren't yet placed into leagues and conferences, although occasionally the system might auto-schedule teams that end up meeting again in the regular season... not a big deal I don't think.
a team could go 15-1, then loose all of its players, replace them with CPUs, but still get moved from competitive to elite, meaning 15 other teams are going to waste their time playing these guys.
another team could go 6-10, get dropped from competitive to regular, then sign a bunch of studs and kick everyone's ass, meaning 15 other teams are going to waste a whole season knowing they'll never beat these guys
that second team could very well have signed the guys that left the first team. those two teams could very well have the same owner.
in other words, the current system promotes/demotes franchises, not teams.
there either needs to be much more incentive to play hard and play fair or much tighter controls on how teams are sorted into conferences and leagues.
A the pro and world league level there isn't nearly the turnover as in these lower levels.
The sort should 1) take into account the effective level of the current roster, not just the record of the previous season, which may or may not even be the same personnel and 2) the sort should take place much later, like on day -1 or something. Pre-season scrims could still be set up, even if teams aren't yet placed into leagues and conferences, although occasionally the system might auto-schedule teams that end up meeting again in the regular season... not a big deal I don't think.
a team could go 15-1, then loose all of its players, replace them with CPUs, but still get moved from competitive to elite, meaning 15 other teams are going to waste their time playing these guys.
another team could go 6-10, get dropped from competitive to regular, then sign a bunch of studs and kick everyone's ass, meaning 15 other teams are going to waste a whole season knowing they'll never beat these guys
that second team could very well have signed the guys that left the first team. those two teams could very well have the same owner.
in other words, the current system promotes/demotes franchises, not teams.
there either needs to be much more incentive to play hard and play fair or much tighter controls on how teams are sorted into conferences and leagues.
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Originally posted by fogie55
this won't do much to solve the biggest problem at the low levels--the sorting algorithm for the next season is based on record of the team for the previous season and teams at this level change a lot between the end of day 40 (when, possibly, the entire roster goes away) to day 41 (when the sort takes place) to day 1.
A the pro and world league level there isn't nearly the turnover as in these lower levels.
The sort should 1) take into account the effective level of the current roster, not just the record of the previous season, which may or may not even be the same personnel and 2) the sort should take place much later, like on day -1 or something. Pre-season scrims could still be set up, even if teams aren't yet placed into leagues and conferences, although occasionally the system might auto-schedule teams that end up meeting again in the regular season... not a big deal I don't think.
a team could go 15-1, then loose all of its players, replace them with CPUs, but still get moved from competitive to elite, meaning 15 other teams are going to waste their time playing these guys.
another team could go 6-10, get dropped from competitive to regular, then sign a bunch of studs and kick everyone's ass, meaning 15 other teams are going to waste a whole season knowing they'll never beat these guys
that second team could very well have signed the guys that left the first team. those two teams could very well have the same owner.
in other words, the current system promotes/demotes franchises, not teams.
there either needs to be much more incentive to play hard and play fair or much tighter controls on how teams are sorted into conferences and leagues.
I don't believe this suggestion is at all designed to address team turnover, since it's not mentioned in the OP. It also doesn't address rushing QBs, the player building process, team finances, or any of the other "low level" problems.
Is your point "if it's not a panacea, it's not good enough," or am I missing it?
this won't do much to solve the biggest problem at the low levels--the sorting algorithm for the next season is based on record of the team for the previous season and teams at this level change a lot between the end of day 40 (when, possibly, the entire roster goes away) to day 41 (when the sort takes place) to day 1.
A the pro and world league level there isn't nearly the turnover as in these lower levels.
The sort should 1) take into account the effective level of the current roster, not just the record of the previous season, which may or may not even be the same personnel and 2) the sort should take place much later, like on day -1 or something. Pre-season scrims could still be set up, even if teams aren't yet placed into leagues and conferences, although occasionally the system might auto-schedule teams that end up meeting again in the regular season... not a big deal I don't think.
a team could go 15-1, then loose all of its players, replace them with CPUs, but still get moved from competitive to elite, meaning 15 other teams are going to waste their time playing these guys.
another team could go 6-10, get dropped from competitive to regular, then sign a bunch of studs and kick everyone's ass, meaning 15 other teams are going to waste a whole season knowing they'll never beat these guys
that second team could very well have signed the guys that left the first team. those two teams could very well have the same owner.
in other words, the current system promotes/demotes franchises, not teams.
there either needs to be much more incentive to play hard and play fair or much tighter controls on how teams are sorted into conferences and leagues.
I don't believe this suggestion is at all designed to address team turnover, since it's not mentioned in the OP. It also doesn't address rushing QBs, the player building process, team finances, or any of the other "low level" problems.
Is your point "if it's not a panacea, it's not good enough," or am I missing it?
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Originally posted by fogie55
this won't do much to solve the biggest problem at the low levels--the sorting algorithm for the next season is based on record of the team for the previous season and teams at this level change a lot between the end of day 40 (when, possibly, the entire roster goes away) to day 41 (when the sort takes place) to day 1.
A the pro and world league level there isn't nearly the turnover as in these lower levels.
The sort should 1) take into account the effective level of the current roster, not just the record of the previous season, which may or may not even be the same personnel and 2) the sort should take place much later, like on day -1 or something. Pre-season scrims could still be set up, even if teams aren't yet placed into leagues and conferences, although occasionally the system might auto-schedule teams that end up meeting again in the regular season... not a big deal I don't think.
a team could go 15-1, then loose all of its players, replace them with CPUs, but still get moved from competitive to elite, meaning 15 other teams are going to waste their time playing these guys.
another team could go 6-10, get dropped from competitive to regular, then sign a bunch of studs and kick everyone's ass, meaning 15 other teams are going to waste a whole season knowing they'll never beat these guys
that second team could very well have signed the guys that left the first team. those two teams could very well have the same owner.
in other words, the current system promotes/demotes franchises, not teams.
there either needs to be much more incentive to play hard and play fair or much tighter controls on how teams are sorted into conferences and leagues.
I agree with your points but don't see how it applies to the suggestion in the OP?
this won't do much to solve the biggest problem at the low levels--the sorting algorithm for the next season is based on record of the team for the previous season and teams at this level change a lot between the end of day 40 (when, possibly, the entire roster goes away) to day 41 (when the sort takes place) to day 1.
A the pro and world league level there isn't nearly the turnover as in these lower levels.
The sort should 1) take into account the effective level of the current roster, not just the record of the previous season, which may or may not even be the same personnel and 2) the sort should take place much later, like on day -1 or something. Pre-season scrims could still be set up, even if teams aren't yet placed into leagues and conferences, although occasionally the system might auto-schedule teams that end up meeting again in the regular season... not a big deal I don't think.
a team could go 15-1, then loose all of its players, replace them with CPUs, but still get moved from competitive to elite, meaning 15 other teams are going to waste their time playing these guys.
another team could go 6-10, get dropped from competitive to regular, then sign a bunch of studs and kick everyone's ass, meaning 15 other teams are going to waste a whole season knowing they'll never beat these guys
that second team could very well have signed the guys that left the first team. those two teams could very well have the same owner.
in other words, the current system promotes/demotes franchises, not teams.
there either needs to be much more incentive to play hard and play fair or much tighter controls on how teams are sorted into conferences and leagues.
I agree with your points but don't see how it applies to the suggestion in the OP?
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Originally posted by Maddencoach
lol at the people who dont like this, I dont think they understand the concept
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lol at the people who dont like this, I dont think they understand the concept
+1
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Originally posted by merenoise
National Semi Pro 2 Elite leagues - 2 Competitive leagues - 2 Regular leagues
National Minor 1 Elite league -1 Competitive league - 1 Regular league
Regional Minor 2 Elite leagues - 1 Competitive league - 1 Regular league
Local Minor 2 Elite leagues - 2 Competitive leagues - 1 Regular league
University 2 Elite leagues - 2 Competitive leagues - 1 Regular league
Wow.. rewind to season 3 and you have a structure almost like this. We just called them "A", "AA", "AAA" leagues.
Apparently we never learn from history when it comes to league structure. Personally you need to toss out the damn age restrictions because they cause nothing but problems for teams and go back to a more simplistic approach to league structure. If you win, you go up, if you lose, you move down.
Pretty simple really. Just like the old days. top two teams advance, bottom two teams drop, if a team goes CPU it drops to the very bottom and one of the losers gets to stay. Then.. wozers. We will get to play no less than 6 teams again the next season if we end up staying in the league.
National Semi Pro 2 Elite leagues - 2 Competitive leagues - 2 Regular leagues
National Minor 1 Elite league -1 Competitive league - 1 Regular league
Regional Minor 2 Elite leagues - 1 Competitive league - 1 Regular league
Local Minor 2 Elite leagues - 2 Competitive leagues - 1 Regular league
University 2 Elite leagues - 2 Competitive leagues - 1 Regular league
Wow.. rewind to season 3 and you have a structure almost like this. We just called them "A", "AA", "AAA" leagues.
Apparently we never learn from history when it comes to league structure. Personally you need to toss out the damn age restrictions because they cause nothing but problems for teams and go back to a more simplistic approach to league structure. If you win, you go up, if you lose, you move down.
Pretty simple really. Just like the old days. top two teams advance, bottom two teams drop, if a team goes CPU it drops to the very bottom and one of the losers gets to stay. Then.. wozers. We will get to play no less than 6 teams again the next season if we end up staying in the league.
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bumping this because we are getting close to next season. make it happen.
Edited by patrickrobe on Jun 9, 2011 02:55:00
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