Warrior General Games

Originally posted by saintedix

Usain Bolt ground speed (34.789 ft/s) = Roughly 130 speed and unlimited stamina (35.635 ft/s)

I'm okay with dots being "unrealistically fast" (maybe not 3.0s-40...but 3.8s? Sure)


but if that's the case, doesn't it compound the problem even further when you also have dots that are unrealistically slow?

I posted in another thread that the slowest 40 time at the 2006 NFL combine was a 6.21by offensive lineman Josh Hall. Who is Josh Hall? Exactly. Normal human beings in average shape can run a 6-second 40 time. My 40-year-old ass, out of shape, about 30% body fat and a former smoker, ran a 5.8 40 time just because I was curious to see what I could do.

When you have to push a lineman to 70 just to make them run 40 times in the 7 to 8 second range (I'm guesstimating here), and your fast guys are pulling flat 3s ... well it seems to me like a lot of the worst imbalances in the game could be brought into line just by tightening up the maxes and mins to something resembling a human range

Originally posted by haole
but if that's the case, doesn't it compound the problem even further when you also have dots that are unrealistically slow?

I posted in another thread that the slowest 40 time at the 2006 NFL combine was a 6.21by offensive lineman Josh Hall. Who is Josh Hall? Exactly. Normal human beings in average shape can run a 6-second 40 time. My 40-year-old ass, out of shape, about 30% body fat and a former smoker, ran a 5.8 40 time just because I was curious to see what I could do.

When you have to push a lineman to 70 just to make them run 40 times in the 7 to 8 second range (I'm guesstimating here), and your fast guys are pulling flat 3s ... well it seems to me like a lot of the worst imbalances in the game could be brought into line just by tightening up the maxes and mins to something resembling a human range

I absolutely agree. The slowest players (6 speed or whatever) should be running probably a 6.50 or so, then it should be scaled accordingly to where the guys at 150 are running a 3.80. I've suggested this before, and I'm not the only one. I think this should be the ultimate goal.

(I ran a 4.6 two years ago; but I'm quite a bit younger than 40...that puts me at 97 speed, but you got those VAs stacking up in your favor )

This is what I'm talking about though. We can't really quantify how fast 150 speed or 50 speed should be because nobody has tested it in a variable-controlled environment.

Hell, make me a tester and I could do this in a week or less. I took a stopwatch to kickoffs and found out they were coded wrong.

Originally posted by saintedix
I absolutely agree. The slowest players (6 speed or whatever) should be running probably a 6.50 or so, then it should be scaled accordingly to where the guys at 150 are running a 3.80. I've suggested this before, and I'm not the only one. I think this should be the ultimate goal.


I would actually say that you take a center (or a nose tackle) with 48 speed, max weight, no acceleration bonuses, and make HIM the 6.50

Then you take the fastest guy, with 150 speed and every possible acceleration boost firing all at once, and make him a 3.8

And then you scale everything that's in between those points accordingly.

Originally posted by haole
I would actually say that you take a center (or a nose tackle) with 48 speed, max weight, no acceleration bonuses, and make HIM the 6.50

Then you take the fastest guy, with 150 speed and every possible acceleration boost firing all at once, and make him a 3.8

And then you scale everything that's in between those points accordingly.

+9000

That speed test is one of the dumbest things I've seen in a while. And the fact all you guys are commenting on it as though it were even remotely accurate is disappointing. The formula created by Bort cannot be "guessed". There is no way it's remotely accurate other than to demonstrate the obvious: speed + stamina > speed - stamina.

Originally posted by rockitsauce
That speed test is one of the dumbest things I've seen in a while. And the fact all you guys are commenting on it as though it were even remotely accurate is disappointing. The formula created by Bort cannot be "guessed". There is no way it's remotely accurate other than to demonstrate the obvious: speed + stamina > speed - stamina.

It cannot be guess. It can quite easily be broke down to pieces and figured out.

There are much harder task in the world then finding this formula. You just need a large enough database of dots running fly routes. Assuming that speed, stamina, weight and initial energy is all that matter an order of 100-200 replays should be enough.

Originally posted by haole
I would actually say that you take a center (or a nose tackle) with 48 speed, max weight, no acceleration bonuses, and make HIM the 6.50

Then you take the fastest guy, with 150 speed and every possible acceleration boost firing all at once, and make him a 3.8

And then you scale everything that's in between those points accordingly.

This is a much better idea than 8 speed being a 6.5 40.

Originally posted by saintedix


Hell, make me a tester and I could do this in a week or less.

no you wouldn't, because you would not be allowed to

Originally posted by bigtisme
This is a much better idea than 8 speed being a 6.5 40.

61 speed + max weight = 6.5 imo
150 speed + all accel boosts = 3.5 imo

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
no you wouldn't, because you would not be allowed to


Yea, I'm aware. You don't just get to test whatever you want. I was being :lolGLB:

Originally posted by haole
I would actually say that you take a center (or a nose tackle) with 48 speed, max weight, no acceleration bonuses, and make HIM the 6.50

Then you take the fastest guy, with 150 speed and every possible acceleration boost firing all at once, and make him a 3.8

And then you scale everything that's in between those points accordingly.

I don't think weight should be involved in speed whatsoever. If a 360 lb. DT puts 140 speed on his dot, he should be just as fast as a 180 lb. HB with 140 speed.

The HB will likely gain bonuses from First Step, Quick Cut, and higher agility (acceleration) that the DT won't get, so his functional speed would be much better anyway.

A DT or C doesn't benefit from 140 speed like a HB or WR does by the nature of their position. I'm not sure what all weight affects directly in the sim, but if anything, it should maybe be a slight penalty/benefit to overall dot speed (with SAs, VAs, and circumstance removed).

Originally posted by saintedix
I don't think weight should be involved in speed whatsoever. If a 360 lb. DT puts 140 speed on his dot, he should be just as fast as a 180 lb. HB with 140 speed.


Once upon a time many users complained that it doesn't make sense that a heavy DE can out run a slim WR.

Originally posted by tragula
Once upon a time many users complained that it doesn't make sense that a heavy DE can out run a slim WR.



It would be silly to me if a big fat center had the same acceleration curve as a skinny halfback when both had the exact same attributes. By the same token it should require the heavier guy to use more stamina to maintain that speed.

That would be like arguing that a small guy hitting a ball carrier should have exactly the same amount of impact as a big guy as long as both were traveling at the same velocity.

Originally posted by saintedix
This is the only thing I've seen so far on it:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4346036

By this test, a guy with 150 speed runs a 3.00s 40-yard dash (unlimited stamina)? I timed the 140, 130, and 120 also. It seems speed is entirely linear, meaning a guy with 100 speed runs a 4.50, and 50 speed runs a 9.00?

Just curious if anyone has ever actually timed how ludicrously fast/slow dots at different speeds are.


Whose private forum is that?


Originally posted by tragula
Originally posted by bhall43


So now that I have seen this across several forums...it may as well just go here.

http://s116895246.onlinehome.us/public/glb/staminatest/

Warning: quite addicting to watch over and over again.


Which forums?

Originally posted by NitrouStang96
Which forums?

it was all over the place. i belong to crap tons of forums tho.

Apparently so. Where was it originally posted on 10/21?