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Originally posted by Bukowski
So why weren't the other break tackle SAs nerfed the same way?

This was what I came here to ask.

Why can we no longer spin but one time every tick, yet Powerbacks and Power Thru 2-3 times a tick?

Why isn't this across the board on SA's?

Power Thru clearly activating twice in one tick on this play:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1416927&pbp_id=730750

Originally posted by Pwned IRL
Originally posted by Bukowski

So why weren't the other break tackle SAs nerfed the same way?

This was what I came here to ask.

Why can we no longer spin but one time every tick, yet Powerbacks and Power Thru 2-3 times a tick?

Why isn't this across the board on SA's?

Power Thru clearly activating twice in one tick on this play:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1416927&pbp_id=730750

Because people were crying about Spin and not about Power Thru?

Completely bullshit.

Originally posted by Bukowski
Because people were crying about Spin and not about Power Thru?

Completely bullshit.

No it's because on this replay that was shown it takes the HB 10 clicks (5 ticks) to go one yard as he powerthru thru twice

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1416927&pbp_id=730750

whereas the HB in this play gains 4 yards in the 5 ticks after the first spin

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369464&pbp_id=220461


That's the real problem with spin IMO...it doesn't slow down the HB enough, because IMO they fire both at about the same rate assuming your build is set up properly. Spin IS overpowered..but it has nothing to do with how often it fires, it's the mechanics behind it...it doesn't make the HB delay long enough. If the mechanics had been changed instead of the spin nerf I think it would have been more appropriate.

Originally posted by BP
No it's because on this replay that was shown it takes the HB 10 clicks (5 ticks) to go one yard as he powerthru thru twice

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1416927&pbp_id=730750

whereas the HB in this play gains 4 yards in the 5 ticks after the first spin

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369464&pbp_id=220461


That's the real problem with spin IMO...it doesn't slow down the HB enough, because IMO they fire both at about the same rate assuming your build is set up properly. Spin IS overpowered..but it has nothing to do with how often it fires, it's the mechanics behind it...it doesn't make the HB delay long enough. If the mechanics had been changed instead of the spin nerf I think it would have been more appropriate.




IRL spinning IS way faster than a stiff arm,or lowering a shoulder,etc.but ive seen plays where the dot actually goes FASTER during the spin

Originally posted by Dr. E
My back didn't spin at all, but......he he only had 9 touches. Then again, that's his norm and he usually pops a few each game.

Your back pops everytime you bend over old guy

Originally posted by Footballguy22
IRL spinning IS way faster than a stiff arm,or lowering a shoulder,etc.but ive seen plays where the dot actually goes FASTER during the spin


In real football a spin move completely stops the HB. Think about it, his feet aren't moving forward while they are turning. I don't know if the mechanics of a spin cause the HB to completely stop, but it seems to me it should. But, I don't really care, it's not nearly as powerful a tool to the HB as Juke which can take out 4 or more defenders all in the same move.

With power through the back's feet never stop moving forward, but he is stopped or slowed to a certain degree. This happens in GLB also, at times I've even seen the HB knocked backwards.

Originally posted by Dr. E
In real football a spin move completely stops the HB. Think about it, his feet aren't moving forward while they are turning. I don't know if the mechanics of a spin cause the HB to completely stop, but it seems to me it should. But, I don't really care, it's not nearly as powerful a tool to the HB as Juke which can take out 4 or more defenders all in the same move.

With power through the back's feet never stop moving forward, but he is stopped or slowed to a certain degree. This happens in GLB also, at times I've even seen the HB knocked backwards.

That is wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4isdi01l0HY

from the 1:11 of the video you can see some spin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7OiYXlBEZU
http://www.nfl.com/videos/pittsburgh-steelers/09000d5d81ad6cc1/RB-Mendenhall-15-yd-run

Hiding in there are some spin moves by Rashard Mendenhall (not the tiny back) from his collage days and a recent NFL game

Originally posted by tragula
That is wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4isdi01l0HY

from the 1:11 of the video you can see some spin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7OiYXlBEZU
http://www.nfl.com/videos/pittsburgh-steelers/09000d5d81ad6cc1/RB-Mendenhall-15-yd-run

Hiding in there are some spin moves by Rashard Mendenhall (not the tiny back) from his collage days and a recent NFL game

Try looking at his real feet. If you do, you will notice that at some point when he spins his feet are facing his own goal. At that point he is not Running.

Originally posted by Dr. E
Try looking at his real feet. If you do, you will notice that at some point when he spins his feet are facing his own goal. At that point he is not Running.

At that point he is not pushing forward with his feet that is all. It doesn't mean he need to come to a stop, maintaining a forward speed is completely possible (and very helpful most of the time).
Newton firstlaw of motions tell you that a body will maintain is speed unless there is a force applied

A spin used by a DL, will even including putting some weight forward so you actually have some small acceleration forward while spinning. (I am not sure if that is relevant for a HBs spins)

Originally posted by tragula
At that point he is not pushing forward with his feet that is all. It doesn't mean he need to come to a stop, maintaining a forward speed is completely possible (and very helpful most of the time).
Newton firstlaw of motions tell you that a body will maintain is speed unless there is a force applied

A spin used by a DL, will even including putting some weight forward so you actually have some small acceleration forward while spinning. (I am not sure if that is relevant for a HBs spins)

Newton's first law is a bit more than that and in fact says the opposite of what you imply because there are external forces involved. In the case of a spin we have at least two I can think of, gravity and the force applied in an upward motion by the HB to cause his center to spin and then again to stop the spin. There are other forces which would bleed off energy from both the spin and forward momentum, but I'll leave that to the physicists. Hmm, I saw some physicist do a curve ball, maybe I'll send a message to Michio Kaku, it would be fun to see the physics play out.

I can spin while still moving forward, for what it's worth...

necro

Originally posted by dmfa41
I can spin while still moving forward, for what it's worth...

Ok, got me thinking of how it can be done.

1. Jump off a cliff and on the way spin.
2. Push off the International Space Station and spin.
3. Inflate your BCD and on the way to the surface spin.

Originally posted by tragula
At that point he is not pushing forward with his feet that is all. It doesn't mean he need to come to a stop, maintaining a forward speed is completely possible (and very helpful most of the time).
Newton firstlaw of motions tell you that a body will maintain is speed unless there is a force applied

A spin used by a DL, will even including putting some weight forward so you actually have some small acceleration forward while spinning. (I am not sure if that is relevant for a HBs spins)

Originally posted by Dr. E
Newton's first law is a bit more than that and in fact says the opposite of what you imply because there are external forces involved. In the case of a spin we have at least two I can think of, gravity and the force applied in an upward motion by the HB to cause his center to spin and then again to stop the spin. There are other forces which would bleed off energy from both the spin and forward momentum, but I'll leave that to the physicists. Hmm, I saw some physicist do a curve ball, maybe I'll send a message to Michio Kaku, it would be fun to see the physics play out.

this gettin sers stuff...using Newton's Laws of Physics for dot ball,,,,