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I mean come on, why are there mid level playoff caliber teams still in Silver that can't stop the stinking QB run shit? I figured by now the days of qbs rattling off 800 yds and 15 tds would have dropped off, apparently not.


Teams not attempting to be competitive need the option to remain in copper AND the number of Silver Leagues needs to be dropped from 8 to 4. Why hasn't either of these happened???



Rant over.

Originally posted by middawg
I mean come on, why are there mid level playoff caliber teams still in Silver that can't stop the stinking QB run shit? I figured by now the days of qbs rattling off 800 yds and 15 tds would have dropped off, apparently not.


Teams not attempting to be competitive need the option to remain in copper AND the number of Silver Leagues needs to be dropped from 8 to 4. Why hasn't either of these happened???



Rant over.

Just curious, why are you here in S7 forums again?

Originally posted by Dacomish
Just curious, why are you here in S7 forums again?





He has a player on FT, and we were the team that had a QB rush for 800yds & 15 td's against a non-cpu team. That really is pretty lame. And the crap thing is...the QB wasn't supposed to rush all that much, but the auto-adjust basically had him run the entire second half.

But he has a point. What's the purpose of even having a team with real players if you don't even care. The only thing I can think of is to be used as a breeding ground for future players, but that sucks for the rest of us...there should be a way to keep them in copper.

Originally posted by Dacomish
Originally posted by middawg

I mean come on, why are there mid level playoff caliber teams still in Silver that can't stop the stinking QB run shit? I figured by now the days of qbs rattling off 800 yds and 15 tds would have dropped off, apparently not.


Teams not attempting to be competitive need the option to remain in copper AND the number of Silver Leagues needs to be dropped from 8 to 4. Why hasn't either of these happened???



Rant over.

Just curious, why are you here in S7 forums again?





Because he's coming back down in s14 :b

Originally posted by headsigh
Originally posted by Dacomish

Originally posted by middawg


I mean come on, why are there mid level playoff caliber teams still in Silver that can't stop the stinking QB run shit? I figured by now the days of qbs rattling off 800 yds and 15 tds would have dropped off, apparently not.


Teams not attempting to be competitive need the option to remain in copper AND the number of Silver Leagues needs to be dropped from 8 to 4. Why hasn't either of these happened???



Rant over.

Just curious, why are you here in S7 forums again?





Because he's coming back down in s14 :b


Not a chance buddy, couple bad losses in Gold YES. Andro coming back down to this wasteland, NO

It was really closer to 700 yards, but hey who's counting?

PING, the fact is your QB dominated what is basically a CPU team so either middawg is on crack calling a 2-8 team mid competitive, or he is just looking to stir the pot as usual. Two wins, with one of their wins being a 6-0 thriller against a CPU team.

Yeah, Silver leagues still have their fair share of cakewalk teams but to suggest that the mid level (at least in this league) has not improved is just plain wrong. Rather than just 2 top teams in each conference with the remaining teams having no chance, we are seeing much more competition in S7 and fewer easy games.

It's a far cry from Gold but it's supposed to be this way. IMO, Silver is just fine and our own S7 is improving each season.

I was more or less talking about teams in the 6-12 mid-range. All conferences have their 4 bottom feeders, I can accept that. But teams in that range getting manhandled in their second or more pee wee season is pretty embarassing.


So to your point vrecksler. League 5 old structure - Andro would have 4-5 competitive games. Silver 7 in seasons 10,11 Andro had 2-3 competitive games. Final Thought this season will have 4-5 reasonably competitive games. So you are correct it has improved just not as much as I would have thought, There are still 10 suck ass teams per conference.

I hear ya, middawg, but unfortunately I don't have any answers. I wouldn't own a team that didn't at least try to win games...why pay money for flex to have a lame duck team? There are no points or awards for participation here so I am a bit confused as well. And as an agent, I wouldn't want to be on a team that was simply going through the motions and it's pretty clear the teams that suck aren't slowbuilding so there are no excuses.

I agree that fewer leagues would be better. Send the two conference winners from each Silver league to Gold and that would allow the number of Silver teams to be cut in half. Gold will still be as brutal as ever, and Silver would be more competitive. However, I do think teams should be allowed to stay in Copper longer than just the first year in this scenario. Making Silver more competitive means that teams that don't want to put in the time to compete should be able to stay in Copper and fill their trophy cabinet if that's what they want.

I've got a first year PeeWee team and have done everything I can to make it competitive. But I'm sitting at 5-6 and getting worse. The passing game that worked in the first 4 games is now crap. Having power RB's in PeeWee is a total waste of effort, and I can't stop the sweep (and I've designed 7 or 8 plays that flood the flats, but mid-speed LB's can't get to speed RB's). And yes, the QB is tough to stop. I almost didn't renew the team, but decided to try one more year to see if I could figure anything out.

I assume I'm doing something basically stupid, but there are definitely oddities in the game itself, and the passing game has definitely changed since the first part of the season. All that investment I put into my passing QB has been basically wasted, at least as far as PeeWee is concerned.

I agree all first year owners should be in Copper. There are players in Silver that are just beyond belief, with speed that is beyond their age in the league. I can't even imagine what Gold is like.

To help this situation, I am writing up a beginners guild to Pee-Wee defenses that I will post in the off season.

But to help you out Micky, you need to remember that if you send a player out into a zone, but it's a running play, they will only take an initial couple steps towards their zone, then stop and go after the rusher. That's why your LB's never get far enough outside to stop the sweeps. Only time I have seen this work is in HHM's defense, where he uses two really fast safeties that head out into the flats. Their speed mixed with them probably being set to Pass focused means they get to the flats before they realize it's a run, and then turn around already at their assigned spot to make the stop. But like most people, I prefer to use the FS/SS to blitz from the side.

One other thing is that on QB runs, the receivers do go out on routes and the defense thinks it's a passing play, thus anyone in a zone will focus on any receiver who enters their zone and follow them on their route, usually pulling them away from the LoS and giving the QB room to run. That's another reason why a dedicated blitzer works better. Plus if you use tagging correctly, how often will a rushing QB throw a pass? Thus you can call a run defense against a rushing QB and not worry about a long pass.

Hope that helps.

Keep working it Minn, need more owners willing to put forth that type of effort in pee wee ball, it will come together for ya.

Best advice I can give is this..... take your offseason recruiting to the extreme, bring in some more quality agents that have coordinator or ownership experience or want to learn to help you out a bit, then you can focus a bit more on your D. Most of the succussful Gold teams are that way because they have 3 or 4 agents all pulling their weight.


Final Thought is as successful as they are because I taught Ping everything he knows...

Yeah, I agree with middawg that agents can really make a difference and that is why you see the same agents have players on many Gold and good Silver teams. A good agent will be active on the team and league forums, always make sure their tactics are set, EQ upgraded and equipped, they follow solid build principles (or team guides), and use BT's and boosts as part of a team gameplan.

You still need great coordinators and solid AI (like Gerr has eluded to) and excellent team management, but I have been on some outstanding teams that still had the odd player boost early to rack up personal stats, use their BT's on CPU opponents rather than key matchups. So quality agents are definitely a wise suggestion, and many of these agents you recruit can later become your scouts, GM's, recruiters, coordinators, etc. that make your job easier and your team better.

Originally posted by middawg

Final Thought is as successful as they are because I taught Ping everything he knows...

Oh...I thought you joined to steal MY information and get your team to gold! Silly me!

Appreciate all the input. I've designed some more blitzes and some more diversity in my coverages. This next game should be real interesting. I spent like 4 hours and put together about 18 plays. Tryiing to use the LB's and the D Linemen a little differently. If nothing else, this next game will be a real learning experience.

No, really.