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Originally posted by Parab00n
I won't open my builds, but push your BASE speed to 48, Agility to 30, and Vision to 30. This will put you right around 33 Pass Defense. I wouldn't worry too much about Strength.

BTW why is it that everyone wants speed like 15 or more points higher then agility? It isn't going to help you. Over a short distance (which is what FS/SS play unless they're taking it to the house after getting an int) 48 speed with 30 agility is just the same as doing 35 speed with 30 agility. IMO if you only have those points to spare it is better to do 38 agility, 40 speed instead of 48 speed, 30 agility.

Thats why I say 10x/x (speed/agility)

Originally posted by Zarkoviyx
Originally posted by Parab00n

I won't open my builds, but push your BASE speed to 48, Agility to 30, and Vision to 30. This will put you right around 33 Pass Defense. I wouldn't worry too much about Strength.

BTW why is it that everyone wants speed like 15 or more points higher then agility? It isn't going to help you. Over a short distance (which is what FS/SS play unless they're taking it to the house after getting an int) 48 speed with 30 agility is just the same as doing 35 speed with 30 agility. IMO if you only have those points to spare it is better to do 38 agility, 40 speed instead of 48 speed, 30 agility.


Good luck staying with that WR who is on a streak with 60+ speed with your 35 Speed, 30 Agility. A FS is the last man back, rarely does he play man to man and when he does its normally not against a top flight WR.

Originally posted by Parab00n
Originally posted by Zarkoviyx

Originally posted by Parab00n


I won't open my builds, but push your BASE speed to 48, Agility to 30, and Vision to 30. This will put you right around 33 Pass Defense. I wouldn't worry too much about Strength.

BTW why is it that everyone wants speed like 15 or more points higher then agility? It isn't going to help you. Over a short distance (which is what FS/SS play unless they're taking it to the house after getting an int) 48 speed with 30 agility is just the same as doing 35 speed with 30 agility. IMO if you only have those points to spare it is better to do 38 agility, 40 speed instead of 48 speed, 30 agility.


Good luck staying with that WR who is on a streak with 60+ speed with your 35 Speed, 30 Agility. A FS is the last man back, rarely does he play man to man and when he does its normally not against a top flight WR.

Like I just said... you won't be able to use that extra speed if agility is not within 5 points of speed. Agility determines not only fluid lateral movement but also how quickly you get to top speed. First of all at this point in the game if you want to catch a 60+ speed, most likely his agility would only be 40 at most. 60 speed with 40 agility is still only as fast as a 45ish speed WR initially so it is likely a well built FS or SS can tackle him with ease.

Now just imaging that same WR having the reverse (agi 60 speed 40), who do you think will be the better WR? The one with more agility of course... He can cut and make tacklers miss better. This is why FS/SS should have very high agility, not only do they have to be all over the field quickly the also will have to tackle all those elusive type players that the DL and LBs missed. Speed is just straight ahead speed, which needs a good amount of acceleration time to hit full potential without having much agility. So if the FS/SS misses the tackle, then it is likely that 60+ speed WR will take it to the house. To prevent this just make sure you have decent strength and tackling as well as decent speed and high agility.

Originally posted by Zarkoviyx
Originally posted by Parab00n

Originally posted by Zarkoviyx


Originally posted by Parab00n



I won't open my builds, but push your BASE speed to 48, Agility to 30, and Vision to 30. This will put you right around 33 Pass Defense. I wouldn't worry too much about Strength.

BTW why is it that everyone wants speed like 15 or more points higher then agility? It isn't going to help you. Over a short distance (which is what FS/SS play unless they're taking it to the house after getting an int) 48 speed with 30 agility is just the same as doing 35 speed with 30 agility. IMO if you only have those points to spare it is better to do 38 agility, 40 speed instead of 48 speed, 30 agility.


Good luck staying with that WR who is on a streak with 60+ speed with your 35 Speed, 30 Agility. A FS is the last man back, rarely does he play man to man and when he does its normally not against a top flight WR.

Like I just said... you won't be able to use that extra speed if agility is not within 5 points of speed. Agility determines not only fluid lateral movement but also how quickly you get to top speed. First of all at this point in the game if you want to catch a 60+ speed, most likely his agility would only be 40 at most. 60 speed with 40 agility is still only as fast as a 45ish speed WR initially so it is likely a well built FS or SS can tackle him with ease.

Now just imaging that same WR having the reverse (agi 60 speed 40), who do you think will be the better WR? The one with more agility of course... He can cut and make tacklers miss better. This is why FS/SS should have very high agility, not only do they have to be all over the field quickly the also will have to tackle all those elusive type players that the DL and LBs missed. Speed is just straight ahead speed, which needs a good amount of acceleration time to hit full potential without having much agility. So if the FS/SS misses the tackle, then it is likely that 60+ speed WR will take it to the house. To prevent this just make sure you have decent strength and tackling as well as decent speed and high agility.


Posted by Digital Daggers:

"Agility - How fast your player can adjust their movement. If you want to dodge a tackle or head past a blocker you'll want high agility. Important for any player who needs to turn quickly...Lineman as well as speedsters."


You are overestimating at how much Agility effects your top end speed, agility will effect your first few steps and your ability to change directions on the spot.

Your argument is valid for CBs but safteys start from the middle and need to move laterally quickly. I am not saying that you don't need speed, you do but having a 15 point gap between speed and agility is a waste of points in speed. The gap should be less then 10, preferably 5 to milk the most out of your immediate speed.

For my SS I am working toward 50 speed, 55 agility, 50 vision.

Originally posted by Zarkoviyx
Your argument is valid for CBs but safteys start from the middle and need to move laterally quickly. I am not saying that you don't need speed, you do but having a 15 point gap between speed and agility is a waste of points in speed. The gap should be less then 10, preferably 5 to milk the most out of your immediate speed.

For my SS I am working toward 50 speed, 55 agility, 50 vision.


No, your argument would be valid for CBs. Agility is far more important for a CB than a FS. A CB spends most of his time playing man to man, he must be able to stay with a WR's every movement. A FS is man to man a lot less and plays a zone the majority of the time, if the WR gets behind you it doesn't matter how much agility you have you are beat.

A few plays that show you how effective speed is. Both these FS's have well over a 15 gap in between speed and agility. These plays are from last year and both FS's were level 15-16 at the time.



http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?pbp_id=3274191
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?pbp_id=4400953
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?pbp_id=5366209

That is why you make sure the WR doesn't get behind you. With around 26-30 in jumping the FS/SS should be able to either deflect the long passes or do a diving tackle at the worst on the WR that caught the ball. Also vision in the 40s and points in super vision should also help with not getting burned.

BTW CBs are built similar to WRs (except for maybe less catching but more strength and tackling). They will likely need to have speed and agility similar to WRs. So in order for a CB to stay with a 60+ speed WR the CB would need to have 60+ speed, same with agility. Thus since most WRs have way more speed then agility, CBs will be forced to do the same in order to stay with them. IMO safteies need more agility to help out the CBs.

Originally posted by Parab00n
A few plays that show you how effective speed is. Both these FS's have well over a 15 gap in between speed and agility. These plays are from last year and both FS's were level 15-16 at the time.



http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?pbp_id=3274191
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?pbp_id=4400953
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?pbp_id=5366209

Impressive highlights but notice how in link number 2 after the FS dodges a bunch of players he kind of hesitates a bit, the same think occurs in link 3. To me that looks like a lack of vision and agility (more lack of vision then agility though I think) since he should have taken it to the house on that play. I am not saying speed is bad, all I am saying is that agility and speed should be fairly close to each other (less then 10).

BTW what was Malcolm X's speed, agility and vision at the time of those plays (you don't need to be exact, just an estimate if you're uncomfortable giving actual stats).

Originally posted by Zarkoviyx
Originally posted by Parab00n

A few plays that show you how effective speed is. Both these FS's have well over a 15 gap in between speed and agility. These plays are from last year and both FS's were level 15-16 at the time.



http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?pbp_id=3274191
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?pbp_id=4400953
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?pbp_id=5366209

Impressive highlights but notice how in link number 2 after the FS dodges a bunch of players he kind of hesitates a bit, the same think occurs in link 3. To me that looks like a lack of vision and agility (more lack of vision then agility though I think) since he should have taken it to the house on that play. I am not saying speed is bad, all I am saying is that agility and speed should be fairly close to each other (less then 10).

BTW what was Malcolm X's speed, agility and vision at the time of those plays (you don't need to be exact, just an estimate if you're uncomfortable giving actual stats).


It's not my player and I don't think he would like for me to post them. I will just say that the gap was more than 20 for him. The hesitation you see if from Super Vision in my opinion, there was a bunch of posts early this offseason with highlights of KR/PR's that used it. A lot of those highlights had those stalls in there, not for sure if anyone knows for sure why they do that with that talent.

Well to me that looks like a lack of agility and vision. Supervision is not going to work to its potential if you don't have a high vision value. It will work ok but not amazingly well. IMO you should have 40 vision before you put more then 2 points in supervision.

Originally posted by Zarkoviyx
Well to me that looks like a lack of agility and vision. Supervision is not going to work to its potential if you don't have a high vision value. It will work ok but not amazingly well. IMO you should have 40 vision before you put more then 2 points in supervision.

This build and results says differently.

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3034/iorekqx9.jpg

Originally posted by Parab00n
Originally posted by Zarkoviyx

Well to me that looks like a lack of agility and vision. Supervision is not going to work to its potential if you don't have a high vision value. It will work ok but not amazingly well. IMO you should have 40 vision before you put more then 2 points in supervision.

This build and results says differently.

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3034/iorekqx9.jpg

I am sure he would have gotten the same result if he had supervision at 2. Having vision at 34 with supervision at 7is just plain stupid... Waste of points that could have been used better elsewhere. But he does have nice speed and agility for a CB though (I would put like 5pts into agility then what he has though ).

Originally posted by Zarkoviyx
Originally posted by Parab00n

Originally posted by Zarkoviyx


Well to me that looks like a lack of agility and vision. Supervision is not going to work to its potential if you don't have a high vision value. It will work ok but not amazingly well. IMO you should have 40 vision before you put more then 2 points in supervision.

This build and results says differently.

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3034/iorekqx9.jpg

I am sure he would have gotten the same result if he had supervision at 2. Having vision at 34 with supervision at 7is just plain stupid... Waste of points that could have been used better elsewhere. But he does have nice speed and agility for a CB though (I would put like 5pts into agility then what he has though ).



Your giving a guy with 19 INT's advice and telling him his build was a waste...