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Bort finally spent a few hours posting last night.

Topics hit:
-An exploit blitz with the current blocking code (with discussion on trying to fix it)
-A little bit about the ineffectiveness of pass rushing (brief discussion on why they are high on the test server, and non-existent on the live server...needs more discussion)
-Brief discussion about pass quality, and leading receivers.
-Discussion about making getting tackled more of an energy effect rather than morale (except for big/monster hits).
-Discussion about increasing the energy drain, making stamina more valuable.

Stuff he added to test server last night:
Originally posted by Bort
- FG replays (obv)
- XPs now use FG replay code.
- I have found that the QB ability to throw left/right/far/long based on the defense is disabled. I don't recall if that was intentional or not. I have re-enabled it to look at again, but I have found that it tends to cause some extra incompletes.

I have been playing with a bunch of different ideas for QB pass selection, including the yellow/green zone idea (for which there is code added to handle), but I haven't really gotten anywhere significant as far as improvement in pass location or zone busting. I think the AI for that requires something more complicated.

Originally posted by Bort
Also, yes I updated passing some. Forgot to mention I modified the following:

When catching a pass, you have to make a check to see if you slow down or not.

Previously (and on the live site) it was either a set slow down or not. If you fail, you get your speed chopped in half. If you succeed, you keep moving at speed.

I changed it on here to be a gradation instead, slowing down based on how bad you failed the check.

My thoughts from watching test games...QB's leading WR's seems to be MUCH more effective.

Originally posted by Bort
- I have found that the QB ability to throw left/right/far/long based on the defense is disabled. I don't recall if that was intentional or not. I have re-enabled it to look at again, but I have found that it tends to cause some extra incompletes.


What exactly does this mean? Is he talking about where the ball is thrown to the receiver, ie; back shoulder?

Originally posted by Sixx
What exactly does this mean? Is he talking about where the ball is thrown to the receiver, ie; back shoulder?

I don't really know.

I think it's more along the lines of throwing away from the defenders, leading the WR into the open with his pass. I could be wrong I guess, but I seemed to see a lot more passes led correctly.

thanks for the update DB

"- I have found that the QB ability to throw left/right/far/long based on the defense is disabled. I don't recall if that was intentional or not. I have re-enabled it to look at again, but I have found that it tends to cause some extra incompletes."

I'm wondering if that means that at some point QB's 'missing' was disabled.....which would be hilarious - throw is made (pretty much perfectly) - and it's just a roll off between the Receiver and Defender to see if the result is drop/deflected/knocked loose/caught or incomplete

Thanks for the update!

thanks db

I'll put the effort in to create my own "thank you" post. This is definitely nice to see.

-An exploit blitz with the current blocking code (with discussion on trying to fix it)

Curious about what this blitz is and what sort of ideas have come up about how to fix it?

-A little bit about the ineffectiveness of pass rushing (brief discussion on why they are high on the test server, and non-existent on the live server...needs more discussion)

Perhaps Bort should pull builds from the live server again? I haven't checked the tester builds lately, but there is plenty of talk about how those builds just simply aren't 'accurate'. Could randomly pull player builds, change their names, and randomly assign them to teams. This would prevent users from easily identifying that "this is my guy". Could run multiple tests with assortment of teams. Would probably be good to run two or more tests with each team to get solid results?

-Brief discussion about pass quality, and leading receivers.

I'm always curious about how these discussions go. I just like reading people's ideas and possibly tossing in my .02 if I feel like I know what I'm talking about. Any chance to get the main points posted?

-Discussion about making getting tackled more of an energy effect rather than morale (except for big/monster hits).
Good idea. Getting tackled is a fact of life for anybody who has the ball in their hand. Being tackled for a loss should impact morale, and Big/Monster hits should be a hit to morale, but simply getting tackled shouldn't be a big deal.

I'm not sure how it works, but possibly getting tackled short of the first on a 3rd/4th and short situation should reduce morale as well?

-Discussion about increasing the energy drain, making stamina more valuable.

Curious simply about how this will happen?



Only other things I'm curious about is obviously the "right/left" thing, as I'm assuming it means in relation to the defender. I thought this was active many seasons ago, but I never realized it was turned off. Also, I'm curious about the "slow down" check. Exactly how is that determined, and how does that impact the passing game?

Originally posted by Strokke
thanks db

This ^

Originally posted by Staz

I'm always curious about how these discussions go. I just like reading people's ideas and possibly tossing in my .02 if I feel like I know what I'm talking about. Any chance to get the main points posted?


and this ^

It's really just a bunch of questioning that we do to Bort, and then some others throw out ideas that hopefully will stick to Bort liking.

Originally posted by blankspace
It's really just a bunch of questioning that we do to Bort, and then some others throw out ideas that hopefully will stick to Bort liking.

The mod's private suggestion forum, no wonder the Epic and NGTH lists are of the same value. We are all jealous