I think you guys are overlooking the fact that we can't test anything if there is nothing to be tested. I mean, it's very simple to comprehend but whatever. Also, I would think people would understand when we said that Bort hasn't posted in test forum for two weeks. We don't have his cell phone number to text him about these things.
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Originally posted by blankspace
I think you guys are overlooking the fact that we can't test anything if there is nothing to be tested. I mean, it's very simple to comprehend but whatever. Also, I would think people would understand when we said that Bort hasn't posted in test forum for two weeks. We don't have his cell phone number to text him about these things.
I understand, I'm just posting my thoughts and feelings on the subject.
I'm extremely disappointed in just about everything involving the test server.
From Keeping it secret. To having Testers play against users. To the Lack of testing put in on new features. Down to the dissemination of information to include the rest of us.
Edit: As for something to test- Test WR3 on the reverse slant route. he -NEVER- Gets thrown too. Even when he's wide open.
I think you guys are overlooking the fact that we can't test anything if there is nothing to be tested. I mean, it's very simple to comprehend but whatever. Also, I would think people would understand when we said that Bort hasn't posted in test forum for two weeks. We don't have his cell phone number to text him about these things.
I understand, I'm just posting my thoughts and feelings on the subject.
I'm extremely disappointed in just about everything involving the test server.
From Keeping it secret. To having Testers play against users. To the Lack of testing put in on new features. Down to the dissemination of information to include the rest of us.
Edit: As for something to test- Test WR3 on the reverse slant route. he -NEVER- Gets thrown too. Even when he's wide open.
Edited by Adderfist on Oct 24, 2009 09:29:51
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Originally posted by Staz
I just wish there was a way for us to see what's going on behind the scenes in terms of discussion.
I'll give you a bit of insight.
The only thread that has been posted in in the past week is a thread about punting being ridiculous.
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I've noticed it in AAA this ssn and then saw this in a WL game. It just should be toned down a bit.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=878616&pbp_id=6156877
Handful from my AAA game today, all over 60 yd punts (my P is extremely marginal)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=834620&pbp_id=6091722
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=834620&pbp_id=6091983
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=834620&pbp_id=6092653
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=834620&pbp_id=6093394
I'm sure I could come up with a ton of examples, if I actually looked for them. The obvious point, 60 + yd punts should be the extremely rare exception, not the norm.
On a side note, I'd think these type of issues would be infinitely easier to head off here if all of the testers had 3 different lvls of teams....one made up of lvl 10 (maybe even pee wee) dots, another at the lvl they are at now and the 3rd at the equivalent of a lvl 73, well built slow build team. I really think that the extreme builds that are about to hit in mass in a couple ssns are going to cause a shit ton of sim issues...May as well fix them right now, instead of fixing things today and then having to readjust the exact same issue again a ssn or 3 from now, because 140 str Cs weren't factored into the equation..
4 responses, all being similar to "lol toppshelf is awesome".
I just wish there was a way for us to see what's going on behind the scenes in terms of discussion.
I'll give you a bit of insight.
The only thread that has been posted in in the past week is a thread about punting being ridiculous.
Originally posted by
I've noticed it in AAA this ssn and then saw this in a WL game. It just should be toned down a bit.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=878616&pbp_id=6156877
Handful from my AAA game today, all over 60 yd punts (my P is extremely marginal)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=834620&pbp_id=6091722
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=834620&pbp_id=6091983
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=834620&pbp_id=6092653
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=834620&pbp_id=6093394
I'm sure I could come up with a ton of examples, if I actually looked for them. The obvious point, 60 + yd punts should be the extremely rare exception, not the norm.
On a side note, I'd think these type of issues would be infinitely easier to head off here if all of the testers had 3 different lvls of teams....one made up of lvl 10 (maybe even pee wee) dots, another at the lvl they are at now and the 3rd at the equivalent of a lvl 73, well built slow build team. I really think that the extreme builds that are about to hit in mass in a couple ssns are going to cause a shit ton of sim issues...May as well fix them right now, instead of fixing things today and then having to readjust the exact same issue again a ssn or 3 from now, because 140 str Cs weren't factored into the equation..
4 responses, all being similar to "lol toppshelf is awesome".
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Originally posted by Adderfist
What about chip blocks? How did that test go?
Looked decent a couple weeks ago, and I even made a thread in GLB main for it.
Not sure what else is wanted.
What about chip blocks? How did that test go?
Looked decent a couple weeks ago, and I even made a thread in GLB main for it.
Not sure what else is wanted.
Adderfist
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Originally posted by Deathblade
Looked decent a couple weeks ago, and I even made a thread in GLB main for it.
Not sure what else is wanted.
Consolidated information?
Looked decent a couple weeks ago, and I even made a thread in GLB main for it.
Not sure what else is wanted.
Consolidated information?
Adderfist
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Originally posted by Deathblade
Looked decent a couple weeks ago, and I even made a thread in GLB main for it.
Not sure what else is wanted.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=3367601&page=1
Found it. Was like 12 pages down.
I quite like how it looks- I just wouldn't really have it implemented/tested on the O-line first. I would use the FB, TE, and HB first. Chip block, then once block is released have them act like a real receiver. Chip blocks could work well on screens too. I wouldn't use em really on a true passing play though.
Looked decent a couple weeks ago, and I even made a thread in GLB main for it.
Not sure what else is wanted.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=3367601&page=1
Found it. Was like 12 pages down.
I quite like how it looks- I just wouldn't really have it implemented/tested on the O-line first. I would use the FB, TE, and HB first. Chip block, then once block is released have them act like a real receiver. Chip blocks could work well on screens too. I wouldn't use em really on a true passing play though.
Edited by Adderfist on Oct 24, 2009 14:16:25
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Originally posted by Deathblade
4 responses, all being similar to "lol toppshelf is awesome".
Good to hear the discussion there doesn't differ from the ones out here
Anyways, I also agree with that paragraph under the examples that you quoted. Testing things on multiple styles of players seems to be a good idea, and should have been 'implemented' a while ago.
Also, I thank you for at least posting that "thread". I wouldn't mind seeing more things being brought to the main forum once they begin a discussion. Now that the test blog has been untouched for a while, and the updates have stopped (which I understand, there's nothing to update with) I think it'd go a long way in calming the "Nothing is being fixed" statements if somebody would post a "Tester Discussion" thread here and there.
Simply quote the main points that are being made, and put them all in the OP. It could become a lengthy read, but would open the "testers' discussion" up to the masses, and get some other opinions as well. Could be very similar to what you did with the chip blocking.
4 responses, all being similar to "lol toppshelf is awesome".
Good to hear the discussion there doesn't differ from the ones out here
Anyways, I also agree with that paragraph under the examples that you quoted. Testing things on multiple styles of players seems to be a good idea, and should have been 'implemented' a while ago.
Also, I thank you for at least posting that "thread". I wouldn't mind seeing more things being brought to the main forum once they begin a discussion. Now that the test blog has been untouched for a while, and the updates have stopped (which I understand, there's nothing to update with) I think it'd go a long way in calming the "Nothing is being fixed" statements if somebody would post a "Tester Discussion" thread here and there.
Simply quote the main points that are being made, and put them all in the OP. It could become a lengthy read, but would open the "testers' discussion" up to the masses, and get some other opinions as well. Could be very similar to what you did with the chip blocking.
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Originally posted by blankspace
I think you guys are overlooking the fact that we can't test anything if there is nothing to be tested. I mean, it's very simple to comprehend but whatever. Also, I would think people would understand when we said that Bort hasn't posted in test forum for two weeks. We don't have his cell phone number to text him about these things.
How about you guys go and test Pass Rusher? Because that shit is definitely not working as advertised.
In fact, how are you guys even saying that there isn't anything to be tested? All SAs and VAs should have been tested a long damn time go, because it wouldn't be the first time that one of those weren't working like they were supposed to, or at all.
I think you guys are overlooking the fact that we can't test anything if there is nothing to be tested. I mean, it's very simple to comprehend but whatever. Also, I would think people would understand when we said that Bort hasn't posted in test forum for two weeks. We don't have his cell phone number to text him about these things.
How about you guys go and test Pass Rusher? Because that shit is definitely not working as advertised.
In fact, how are you guys even saying that there isn't anything to be tested? All SAs and VAs should have been tested a long damn time go, because it wouldn't be the first time that one of those weren't working like they were supposed to, or at all.
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Originally posted by Bukowski
How about you guys go and test Pass Rusher? Because that shit is definitely not working as advertised.
In fact, how are you guys even saying that there isn't anything to be tested? All SAs and VAs should have been tested a long damn time go, because it wouldn't be the first time that one of those weren't working like they were supposed to, or at all.
Ummm we can't just go test builds to see what's effective and what's not, because according the the rest of the public, "that would be unfair!"
Horrible idea on your part.
How about you guys go and test Pass Rusher? Because that shit is definitely not working as advertised.
In fact, how are you guys even saying that there isn't anything to be tested? All SAs and VAs should have been tested a long damn time go, because it wouldn't be the first time that one of those weren't working like they were supposed to, or at all.
Ummm we can't just go test builds to see what's effective and what's not, because according the the rest of the public, "that would be unfair!"
Horrible idea on your part.
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Originally posted by blankspace
Originally posted by Bukowski
How about you guys go and test Pass Rusher? Because that shit is definitely not working as advertised.
In fact, how are you guys even saying that there isn't anything to be tested? All SAs and VAs should have been tested a long damn time go, because it wouldn't be the first time that one of those weren't working like they were supposed to, or at all.
Ummm we can't just go test builds to see what's effective and what's not, because according the the rest of the public, "that would be unfair!"
Horrible idea on your part.
Horrible idea?
It's a horrible idea to test which SAs and VAs actually work?
People have been asking for this since the test server was implemented.
Maybe you just don't know what you're talking about.
Originally posted by Bukowski
How about you guys go and test Pass Rusher? Because that shit is definitely not working as advertised.
In fact, how are you guys even saying that there isn't anything to be tested? All SAs and VAs should have been tested a long damn time go, because it wouldn't be the first time that one of those weren't working like they were supposed to, or at all.
Ummm we can't just go test builds to see what's effective and what's not, because according the the rest of the public, "that would be unfair!"
Horrible idea on your part.
Horrible idea?
It's a horrible idea to test which SAs and VAs actually work?
People have been asking for this since the test server was implemented.
Maybe you just don't know what you're talking about.
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Originally posted by Bukowski
Horrible idea?
It's a horrible idea to test which SAs and VAs actually work?
People have been asking for this since the test server was implemented.
Maybe you just don't know what you're talking about.
Bort has to do those type of tests I believe. Blankspace is right, as soon as testers start testing SA's or VA's, etc., the madness would never end around here.
Horrible idea?
It's a horrible idea to test which SAs and VAs actually work?
People have been asking for this since the test server was implemented.
Maybe you just don't know what you're talking about.
Bort has to do those type of tests I believe. Blankspace is right, as soon as testers start testing SA's or VA's, etc., the madness would never end around here.
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Originally posted by Mightyhalo
Originally posted by Bukowski
Horrible idea?
It's a horrible idea to test which SAs and VAs actually work?
People have been asking for this since the test server was implemented.
Maybe you just don't know what you're talking about.
Bort has to do those type of tests I believe. Blankspace is right, as soon as testers start testing SA's or VA's, etc., the madness would never end around here.
No, they should be able to test to see if something works or not.
It wouldn't be hard. All they need to do is run a set of players with the VA or SA against a group of players that don't.
This wouldn't tell them how the SIM works or anything special, it would just tell them whether or not the specific VA or SA actually works.
There are tons of people saying right now that Pass Rusher doesn't work, which I tend to agree with. To me, that's a pretty big fucking deal. I pay for this game with actual money, I would expect that these things that I'm paying for actually work as specified. But the reality of it is, none of this shit is actually tested out, it's just slapped together at the last minute.
What they're not supposed to be able to test, is min-maxing a certain SA or whatever. I'm not asking them to do that. I'm just asking to make sure that it works, I don't think that should be over their boundaries.
People wouldn't freak out if the testers actually reported back what they learned. People only freak out when they just keep the information to themselves, which is basically what's been happening. All they have to do is be a little open and honest about what they are learning, and the public wouldn't have much of a problem with it. But as it is now, nothing is being reported, which means they're just keeping whatever info they have for themselves, which is what everyone predicted when this whole thing went public.
Originally posted by Bukowski
Horrible idea?
It's a horrible idea to test which SAs and VAs actually work?
People have been asking for this since the test server was implemented.
Maybe you just don't know what you're talking about.
Bort has to do those type of tests I believe. Blankspace is right, as soon as testers start testing SA's or VA's, etc., the madness would never end around here.
No, they should be able to test to see if something works or not.
It wouldn't be hard. All they need to do is run a set of players with the VA or SA against a group of players that don't.
This wouldn't tell them how the SIM works or anything special, it would just tell them whether or not the specific VA or SA actually works.
There are tons of people saying right now that Pass Rusher doesn't work, which I tend to agree with. To me, that's a pretty big fucking deal. I pay for this game with actual money, I would expect that these things that I'm paying for actually work as specified. But the reality of it is, none of this shit is actually tested out, it's just slapped together at the last minute.
What they're not supposed to be able to test, is min-maxing a certain SA or whatever. I'm not asking them to do that. I'm just asking to make sure that it works, I don't think that should be over their boundaries.
People wouldn't freak out if the testers actually reported back what they learned. People only freak out when they just keep the information to themselves, which is basically what's been happening. All they have to do is be a little open and honest about what they are learning, and the public wouldn't have much of a problem with it. But as it is now, nothing is being reported, which means they're just keeping whatever info they have for themselves, which is what everyone predicted when this whole thing went public.
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Originally posted by Bukowski
No, they should be able to test to see if something works or not.
It wouldn't be hard. All they need to do is run a set of players with the VA or SA against a group of players that don't.
This wouldn't tell them how the SIM works or anything special, it would just tell them whether or not the specific VA or SA actually works.
There are tons of people saying right now that Pass Rusher doesn't work, which I tend to agree with. To me, that's a pretty big fucking deal. I pay for this game with actual money, I would expect that these things that I'm paying for actually work as specified. But the reality of it is, none of this shit is actually tested out, it's just slapped together at the last minute.
What they're not supposed to be able to test, is min-maxing a certain SA or whatever. I'm not asking them to do that. I'm just asking to make sure that it works, I don't think that should be over their boundaries.
People wouldn't freak out if the testers actually reported back what they learned. People only freak out when they just keep the information to themselves, which is basically what's been happening. All they have to do is be a little open and honest about what they are learning, and the public wouldn't have much of a problem with it. But as it is now, nothing is being reported, which means they're just keeping whatever info they have for themselves, which is what everyone predicted when this whole thing went public.
Yes you are right, we are keeping all of the information to ourselves.
HA
No, they should be able to test to see if something works or not.
It wouldn't be hard. All they need to do is run a set of players with the VA or SA against a group of players that don't.
This wouldn't tell them how the SIM works or anything special, it would just tell them whether or not the specific VA or SA actually works.
There are tons of people saying right now that Pass Rusher doesn't work, which I tend to agree with. To me, that's a pretty big fucking deal. I pay for this game with actual money, I would expect that these things that I'm paying for actually work as specified. But the reality of it is, none of this shit is actually tested out, it's just slapped together at the last minute.
What they're not supposed to be able to test, is min-maxing a certain SA or whatever. I'm not asking them to do that. I'm just asking to make sure that it works, I don't think that should be over their boundaries.
People wouldn't freak out if the testers actually reported back what they learned. People only freak out when they just keep the information to themselves, which is basically what's been happening. All they have to do is be a little open and honest about what they are learning, and the public wouldn't have much of a problem with it. But as it is now, nothing is being reported, which means they're just keeping whatever info they have for themselves, which is what everyone predicted when this whole thing went public.
Yes you are right, we are keeping all of the information to ourselves.
HA
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