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Originally posted by Jaxon Voom
I kinda agree with this, if you want an ironman game you can set up a scrimmage and set your DC accordingly, no real need for whole extra leagues imo. League Underground operate quite well off of scrimmages so no reason this couldn't too.

It's been tried, there are more challenges than it first appears.

Problems:

*Roster limits won't let you cut down to 20 dots.
Fix - only have 20 human dots and fill the rest with CPU. Result - you are not competitive in your real league
Fix - only play 20 dots and sit the rest. Result - Have to recruit agents that are okay with this up front

*If you accidentally set the depth chart to use 19 dots it will reset it and use all players (maybe disqualifying you from your ironman tourney).
Fix - Be very careful with your depth chart.

*If you accidentally leave certain spots empty it will fill them with dots that were supposed to be benched
Fix - Be very careful with your depth chart.

*If you have 41+ human dots and all want to participate in the ironman games you have to have 3 different depth charts

It's all stuff that can be done and there have been successful Ironman scrims, but it's not always easy to do.

Originally posted by climberpete
Originally posted by Jaxon Voom

I kinda agree with this, if you want an ironman game you can set up a scrimmage and set your DC accordingly, no real need for whole extra leagues imo. League Underground operate quite well off of scrimmages so no reason this couldn't too.

It's been tried, there are more challenges than it first appears.

Problems:

*Roster limits won't let you cut down to 20 dots.
Fix - only have 20 human dots and fill the rest with CPU. Result - you are not competitive in your real league
Fix - only play 20 dots and sit the rest. Result - Have to recruit agents that are okay with this up front

*If you accidentally set the depth chart to use 19 dots it will reset it and use all players (maybe disqualifying you from your ironman tourney).
Fix - Be very careful with your depth chart.

*If you accidentally leave certain spots empty it will fill them with dots that were supposed to be benched
Fix - Be very careful with your depth chart.

*If you have 41+ human dots and all want to participate in the ironman games you have to have 3 different depth charts

It's all stuff that can be done and there have been successful Ironman scrims, but it's not always easy to do.

You could make the same argument for the league underground, like being careful when you press that 'boost all players' button and making sure one of your LU players isn't included in there. I'm just not entirely convinced that a whole new aspect to the game should be implemented because people can't be bothered/concentrate enough to make it work under the current system. I don't really give a monkeys if it's implemented tbh, there's just a lot more ideas out there that i'd like to see time spent on instead.

Originally posted by Jaxon Voom
there's just a lot more ideas out there that i'd like to see time spent on instead.
Hate to see this, a lot of good ideas shouldn't get shot down because they aren't someone's "top priority." A good idea is a good idea, is a good idea. Doesn't matter what needs to be fixed or tweeked first.

Originally posted by Outlaw Dogs
Originally posted by Jaxon Voom

there's just a lot more ideas out there that i'd like to see time spent on instead.
Hate to see this, a lot of good ideas shouldn't get shot down because they aren't someone's "top priority." A good idea is a good idea, is a good idea. Doesn't matter what needs to be fixed or tweeked first.


To put it more bluntly then, i don't think this is a good idea but if other good ideas get implemented first and Bort gets bored one day, i wouldn't care if he did this.

Guys, lets just be honest here... the hardcore supporters of this idea suck at the current setups and have finally come terms with the fact that they will never be good at it. You just want a new league in hopes that you might find more success there than you have with regular/casual/peewee.

To those that foolishly think there will be more variations... Its just further proof that you have a lack of understanding of the current leagues and are mediocre at best at this game. It doesnt matter what league we are talking about there will always be limited optimal variations to be the best in a given league setup. Sure, there would something to figure out at first but it wouldnt take long to determine the few optimal variations for success in a IML.

Its just a short-term bandaid to a problem (boredom) created by over-moderated dead forums, a ridiculously slow building process that takes 2 years for a player to be fruitful, and uncompetitive leagues.

Just face it... bad gimmick idea is bad

Should be put in NGTH once in for all... right between injuries and weapons.

Originally posted by beenlurken
Guys, lets just be honest here... the hardcore supporters of this idea suck at the current setups and have finally come terms with the fact that they will never be good at it. You just want a new league in hopes that you might find more success there than you have with regular/casual/peewee.

To those that foolishly think there will be more variations... Its just further proof that you have a lack of understanding of the current leagues and are mediocre at best at this game. It doesnt matter what league we are talking about there will always be limited optimal variations to be the best in a given league setup. Sure, there would something to figure out at first but it wouldnt take long to determine the few optimal variations for success in a IML.

Its just a short-term bandaid to a problem (boredom) created by over-moderated dead forums, a ridiculously slow building process that takes 2 years for a player to be fruitful, and uncompetitive leagues.

Just face it... bad gimmick idea is bad

Should be put in NGTH once in for all... right between injuries and weapons.



I'm 198-43 as an OC and a solid dot builder, yet I love the idea of an Iron Man League. I know I'm not the best in the game, but I'm far from mediocre...

..Basically shuts down your argument here.

Originally posted by LionsLover
I disagree that it will just be a temporary stop. IMO it's a whole new game and people have to learn (through wasting flex) how to best build a team. And unlike the normal game, where there is only about 50 variations of builds (2 per position with a few extra) you can use, in an IML there is more like 50,000. You can play QB at QB, and then also build him for DTX2, DEX2 so on so forth.

Some of the basics remain, but the variations are just multiplied. You also have to factor in an unknown out of position penalty (although some are pretty easy to guess).

The context of the "temporary stop" that I was agreeing is probably true, is the assumption that the game is slowly dying, and that this would be seen as nothing more than a cheap gimmick league designed to pry more flex out of us before it fades away completely. Based on my observations of the number of previously active people I've seen who are severely cutting back on their involvement with GLB over the past two seasons (including myself) I'm inclined to agree.

The perception in this case, at this point 10+ seasons after this idea was first suggested, would probably be that this league is nothing more than a new gimmick that hopes to generate a large influx of new flex.

I'm agreeing with the perception, not the reality.

EDIT: The idea that this league is nothing more than a way for failed GLB'ers to have a moment of glory is perhaps the stupidest argument against an Iron Man League that I've ever seen. Just sayin'....

Originally posted by Ovid
I'm 198-43 as an OC and a solid dot builder, yet I love the idea of an Iron Man League. I know I'm not the best in the game, but I'm far from mediocre...

..Basically shuts down your argument here.


Which account is your real account?

Originally posted by haole
The idea that this league is nothing more than a way for failed GLB'ers to have a moment of glory is perhaps the stupidest argument against an Iron Man League that I've ever seen. Just sayin'....



Q: Would this start as a Level 1 league or could I bring my Level 60 SS over to play Iron Man?

Ideally it would begin as a Level 1 league to give the league time to grow and encourage a different style of football – so no, your Level 60 SS would not be welcome until Iron Man players have themselves started to reach those upper levels. But there would be no restriction from bringing in any GLB player whose current level fits under the current cap restrictions.


Remove this clause and I might be inclined to believe that this league is not a way for failed GLB'ers to have a shot. The only reason to start this league from scratch is that the said failed GLB'ers would be too afraid that those who routinely kick their ass in the current setups would take a few of their dots and destroy them in a new IML. For some crazy reason you think you will be able to map out a better strategy if everyone is forced to start from scratch. You guys know that GLB's top WL/Pro agents could easily put together strong teams of 15-20 dots with a strong plan to optimize production and continue to dominate you if the IML didnt start from scratch. We all may not know the exact OPP penalties but I think its fair to say those already at the top of the game are familiar with them enough to get in the ballpark of an ideal IML setup right off the bat.

Originally posted by beenlurken
The only reason to start this league from scratch is that the said failed GLB'ers would be too afraid that those who routinely kick their ass in the current setups would take a few of their dots and destroy them in a new IML.

Yes, this reasoning makes much more sense than wanting to start from scratch because these are a completely different brand of players, players who will be specifically built to play on both sides of the ball.

Originally posted by beenlurken
Guys, lets just be honest here... the hardcore supporters of this idea suck at the current setups and have finally come terms with the fact that they will never be good at it. You just want a new league in hopes that you might find more success there than you have with regular/casual/peewee.

To those that foolishly think there will be more variations... Its just further proof that you have a lack of understanding of the current leagues and are mediocre at best at this game. It doesnt matter what league we are talking about there will always be limited optimal variations to be the best in a given league setup. Sure, there would something to figure out at first but it wouldnt take long to determine the few optimal variations for success in a IML.



Do you have arguments other than ad hominem attacks?

Also, thanks for the free bumps.

Originally posted by haole
Originally posted by beenlurken

The only reason to start this league from scratch is that the said failed GLB'ers would be too afraid that those who routinely kick their ass in the current setups would take a few of their dots and destroy them in a new IML.

Yes, this reasoning makes much more sense than wanting to start from scratch because these are a completely different brand of players, players who will be specifically built to play on both sides of the ball.



Thats the bullshit excuse... play with what we have now (ie everyone still on the same page even if players are not optimally built for this league). You can farm the IML specific brand of players in the meantime, but there is NO reason to start this from scratch.

Originally posted by notthegint
Originally posted by beenlurken

Guys, lets just be honest here... the hardcore supporters of this idea suck at the current setups and have finally come terms with the fact that they will never be good at it. You just want a new league in hopes that you might find more success there than you have with regular/casual/peewee.

To those that foolishly think there will be more variations... Its just further proof that you have a lack of understanding of the current leagues and are mediocre at best at this game. It doesnt matter what league we are talking about there will always be limited optimal variations to be the best in a given league setup. Sure, there would something to figure out at first but it wouldnt take long to determine the few optimal variations for success in a IML.



Do you have arguments other than ad hominem attacks?

Also, thanks for the free bumps.

Pot meet kettle?

I have provided plenty of explanation supporting my point. I am sorry you got caught up in the puts... just proves might point even more though...

Originally posted by beenlurken
Thats the bullshit excuse... play with what we have now (ie everyone still on the same page even if players are not optimally built for this league). You can farm the IML specific brand of players in the meantime, but there is NO reason to start this from scratch.

To be fair, the "start from scratch" was added back in a time when there weren't the same level caps and age restrictions that are in place now.

I have no problem starting Iron Man League at all levels, except I don't see the point of having an Iron Man League level cap for, say, players aged 180-220 days old when there are no current Iron Man players built in that age range.

But whatever, if you think that's necessary, and will also generate enough interest to do it, then I don't exactly have a problem with it. It just seems like a stupid thing to do.

Originally posted by beenlurken



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