Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Gisty
Originally posted by cdcollins


In the entire football world, it's LOLB and ROLB. I played football for 11 years and am a faithful football follower, and I've never heard that terminology used before this thread. If you can't associate in your head that left = strong and right = weak, then football might not be the game you're best suited to play. Goodness, people.



+1 You played football for 11 years and never once heard the idea of a strong and weak LB? Where did you play football? Madden?? left does NOT equal strong side. If you even try to argue that you are a moron. Strong side of the play is the side with more players on it, it's usually the side here the TE lines up. Perhaps football is not the game you're best suited to play. Maybe something in the special olympics might be more up you alley?

edit - link for the dumbasses who don't know what SOLB and WOLB means - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linebacker#Strongside_linebacker

Anyways, back on topic. Perfectly reasonable suggestion. If the offense can switch what side is strong/weak, why cant the D?



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Originally posted by blaaaa
Originally posted by Gisty

Originally posted by cdcollins



In the entire football world, it's LOLB and ROLB. I played football for 11 years and am a faithful football follower, and I've never heard that terminology used before this thread. If you can't associate in your head that left = strong and right = weak, then football might not be the game you're best suited to play. Goodness, people.



+1 You played football for 11 years and never once heard the idea of a strong and weak LB? Where did you play football? Madden?? left does NOT equal strong side. If you even try to argue that you are a moron. Strong side of the play is the side with more players on it, it's usually the side here the TE lines up. Perhaps football is not the game you're best suited to play. Maybe something in the special olympics might be more up you alley?

edit - link for the dumbasses who don't know what SOLB and WOLB means - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linebacker#Strongside_linebacker

Anyways, back on topic. Perfectly reasonable suggestion. If the offense can switch what side is strong/weak, why cant the D?



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I believe most people who react negatively to this suggestion, myself included, are doing so based on the fact that right now right = strong side all the time (from the offense's POV, strong = left from defense's POV). The playbook only has strong on right.

So the question of "If the offense can switch what side is strong/weak, why cant the D?" has a flawed premise, the offense can't switch. When (and if) that capacity is added, then having WOLB and SOLB would make sense. Until then, LOLB = SOLB.

+1 get it done Bort

I like it!! would make it easier to match up your coverage LB with the TE

how hard is it to change ROLB/LOLB to SOLB/WOLB

i like this idea, great thinking, i hope this is added for season 9

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Originally posted by whitewolf
Originally posted by blaaaa

Originally posted by Gisty


Originally posted by cdcollins




In the entire football world, it's LOLB and ROLB. I played football for 11 years and am a faithful football follower, and I've never heard that terminology used before this thread. If you can't associate in your head that left = strong and right = weak, then football might not be the game you're best suited to play. Goodness, people.



+1 You played football for 11 years and never once heard the idea of a strong and weak LB? Where did you play football? Madden?? left does NOT equal strong side. If you even try to argue that you are a moron. Strong side of the play is the side with more players on it, it's usually the side here the TE lines up. Perhaps football is not the game you're best suited to play. Maybe something in the special olympics might be more up you alley?

edit - link for the dumbasses who don't know what SOLB and WOLB means - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linebacker#Strongside_linebacker

Anyways, back on topic. Perfectly reasonable suggestion. If the offense can switch what side is strong/weak, why cant the D?



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I believe most people who react negatively to this suggestion, myself included, are doing so based on the fact that right now right = strong side all the time (from the offense's POV, strong = left from defense's POV). The playbook only has strong on right.

So the question of "If the offense can switch what side is strong/weak, why cant the D?" has a flawed premise, the offense can't switch. When (and if) that capacity is added, then having WOLB and SOLB would make sense. Until then, LOLB = SOLB.

That is only true from the playbook point of view. However, the reason it is called the strong side is that it has the extra blocker and thus is the stronger side to rush towards. When you shift the TE, you have shifted which side is the best to rush towards. The defense can not match that shift, and thus is at a disadvantage. The defense has it's primary run stoppers on the opposite side of the field, or their primary TE coverage LB on the opposite side of the field.

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good for the defence team.. more challenge for offence..

Originally posted by whitewolf

I believe most people who react negatively to this suggestion, myself included, are doing so based on the fact that right now right = strong side all the time (from the offense's POV, strong = left from defense's POV). The playbook only has strong on right.

So the question of "If the offense can switch what side is strong/weak, why cant the D?" has a flawed premise, the offense can't switch. When (and if) that capacity is added, then having WOLB and SOLB would make sense. Until then, LOLB = SOLB.


Whitewolf is right on point with this. This 15 page discussion on putting Strong Side and Weak Side LBs (I think they should be SLB and WLB, not WOLB and SOLB, fwiw) is more or less useless at this point. The only way to move the "strong side" is to pass block left with the TE. In my opinion, that's almost irrelevant at this point. I almost never see the TE on the left these days, almost never! So the strong side never switches, and offense can't pick and choose to run a play left or right. They can't swap the strong side.

So what use is SLB and WLB anyways?

Originally posted by Staz
Originally posted by whitewolf


I believe most people who react negatively to this suggestion, myself included, are doing so based on the fact that right now right = strong side all the time (from the offense's POV, strong = left from defense's POV). The playbook only has strong on right.

So the question of "If the offense can switch what side is strong/weak, why cant the D?" has a flawed premise, the offense can't switch. When (and if) that capacity is added, then having WOLB and SOLB would make sense. Until then, LOLB = SOLB.


Whitewolf is right on point with this. This 15 page discussion on putting Strong Side and Weak Side LBs (I think they should be SLB and WLB, not WOLB and SOLB, fwiw) is more or less useless at this point. The only way to move the "strong side" is to pass block left with the TE. In my opinion, that's almost irrelevant at this point. I almost never see the TE on the left these days, almost never! So the strong side never switches, and offense can't pick and choose to run a play left or right. They can't swap the strong side.

So what use is SLB and WLB anyways?

Didn't know my suggestion was still alive! And the point right now isn't for running plays, when I first suggested it the TE shifts were new and we didn't know exactly what capabilities the OC's had. The use of this right now would simply be to get your best pass rusher on the weak side when the offense is passing, so on offense's right when the TE is shifted. I run a 3-4 base and play a speed DE at ROLB, I don't want his pass rushing abilities neutralized just because the offense can double team him but I can't swap my OLB's. That, like many things right now, are just unrealistic and give the offense the upper hand.

Now when offenses CAN run to the left (new strong) side after a TE shift, then the D BETTER be able to switch their LB's so their SOLB is playing across the shifted TE. Not to mention that if we call a strong shift in the DAI I hope to god it shifts to the actual strong side the TE is on, not just the offense's right every time.

This addition may not seem critical now, but it is one that shouldn't take to long and with O and C coordinators getting more options next season it would really create a little game of chess between the two.

Oh I definitely agree that the D should switch when the offense is allowed to

Now the question will be, how many seasons will it take them to balance that once the option is available

Originally posted by Staz
Oh I definitely agree that the D should switch when the offense is allowed to

Now the question will be, how many seasons will it take them to balance that once the option is available

About as many as it has for us to get formation/situational specific position subs like the offense has had for TE and HB

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