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Originally posted by Catch22
Deterioration only takes place if 1) you don't have 30 human players on your roster or 2) your team doesn't meet the minimum level requirements. This is determined during weeks 14-16 of the regular season by seeing if your team did not receive media revenue (which is received if you meet the above two criteria) those three weeks.

If you have a competitive roster in season 15 and are not requesting a demotion, these changes should not impact you.

Question: My team recently moved to Minors capped 14, but we started with level 1's. Support at the time wouldn't take my request to move down further than this. So this is where we ended up. We have a full stadium and such. Will this effect us even tho we aren't very competitive? I guess I don't understand under Cap 14 rules.

Originally posted by pottsman
I see an exploit that might need to get closed up...

Teams "overpromoting". For example, the "we won too many games and got moved up 2 caps to level 22 when my team is only level 17 on average, please demote us to 18 cap" people. Who do get moved down sometimes. If they know that that they are going to do this, and they have a good amount of cash in the bank...what's to stop them from giving all the players big bonuses in the last few days of the season, then demoting and having all the cash back?

I don't really understand what you're saying here. Care to spell it out for me a little more clear with an example as I'm not seeing how this is a problem - it's late and I've been in a hospital all day.

Originally posted by pottsman
I see an exploit that might need to get closed up...

Teams "overpromoting". For example, the "we won too many games and got moved up 2 caps to level 22 when my team is only level 17 on average, please demote us to 18 cap" people. Who do get moved down sometimes. If they know that that they are going to do this, and they have a good amount of cash in the bank...what's to stop them from giving all the players big bonuses in the last few days of the season, then demoting and having all the cash back?

If the EQ changes like discussed, they wouldn't really get anything out of it, since their stadium would get reset.

Originally posted by bhall43
Question: My team recently moved to Minors capped 14, but we started with level 1's. Support at the time wouldn't take my request to move down further than this. So this is where we ended up. We have a full stadium and such. Will this effect us even tho we aren't very competitive? I guess I don't understand under Cap 14 rules.

Read the Announcement and FAQ - they spell it out very clearly imo.

Originally posted by bhall43
Originally posted by Catch22

Deterioration only takes place if 1) you don't have 30 human players on your roster or 2) your team doesn't meet the minimum level requirements. This is determined during weeks 14-16 of the regular season by seeing if your team did not receive media revenue (which is received if you meet the above two criteria) those three weeks.

If you have a competitive roster in season 15 and are not requesting a demotion, these changes should not impact you.

Question: My team recently moved to Minors capped 14, but we started with level 1's. Support at the time wouldn't take my request to move down further than this. So this is where we ended up. We have a full stadium and such. Will this effect us even tho we aren't very competitive? I guess I don't understand under Cap 14 rules.

I asked a similiar question, as long as next season your are competitive and are not requesting to move down you will not be affective.

Originally posted by Catch22
Originally posted by pottsman

I see an exploit that might need to get closed up...

Teams "overpromoting". For example, the "we won too many games and got moved up 2 caps to level 22 when my team is only level 17 on average, please demote us to 18 cap" people. Who do get moved down sometimes. If they know that that they are going to do this, and they have a good amount of cash in the bank...what's to stop them from giving all the players big bonuses in the last few days of the season, then demoting and having all the cash back?

I don't really understand what you're saying here. Care to spell it out for me a little more clear with an example as I'm not seeing how this is a problem - it's late and I've been in a hospital all day.

if you are taking a team's cash before demoting them and taking it, they can empty the bank account to $1 by giving all the money to the players, demote, and get new money at the new level when they demote

or they can hand out all the cash to get below the level you demote them to and not lose cash

Originally posted by Bort
The system we are currently working on figuring out, proposed by a tester, and similar to some other ideas in suggestions revolves around the concept of removing the team->player money transfer via equipment, since that's the main thing collusion is based on, and instead have players directly pay for their EQ with the currency they have, and teams pay for more team-related options.

Think of it this way:

- Players have currency already: time, tokens, SP, morale, energy. Make eq and training cost based on that instead, and let players get EQ more easily. Players then are more in control of their destiny, instead of relying on a team, and have all the same options. The only thing salary really should do for them is keep their morale up and maybe buy some bling.

- Teams have cash as their currency. Let them use that to upgrade their facilities, advertise, and pay their players to play (not to make them vastly better via EQ).

It's a fairly major change from what we have now, but I have grown to really like the idea and I think doing things along those lines would really clean up the whole mess and make it more fun for everyone. We're trying to work out the numbers and the ideas on things to add, etc, currently.

Another great idea, you guys are on a roll this season. It will be very nice that teams finally have a chance to use their money for something of substance as opposed to EQ that can "leave" the team. One thing I hope does change with this new finance implementation is a more in depth finances page. If teams have more control over their money, let them also have a finance page that represents that control. Being able to view which section of seats were purchased, at how much. Which stadium construction, facilities, etc etc...

Definitely a +1 in my book.

Originally posted by Catch22
Originally posted by pottsman

I see an exploit that might need to get closed up...

Teams "overpromoting". For example, the "we won too many games and got moved up 2 caps to level 22 when my team is only level 17 on average, please demote us to 18 cap" people. Who do get moved down sometimes. If they know that that they are going to do this, and they have a good amount of cash in the bank...what's to stop them from giving all the players big bonuses in the last few days of the season, then demoting and having all the cash back?

I don't really understand what you're saying here. Care to spell it out for me a little more clear with an example as I'm not seeing how this is a problem - it's late and I've been in a hospital all day.

i belive what he i saying is say say a team is below there level and have 100+mill saved up..Whats to say they dont just give that cash to there players before they demote they then still technically have the money

Originally posted by pottsman
I see an exploit that might need to get closed up...

Teams "overpromoting". For example, the "we won too many games and got moved up 2 caps to level 22 when my team is only level 17 on average, please demote us to 18 cap" people. Who do get moved down sometimes. If they know that that they are going to do this, and they have a good amount of cash in the bank...what's to stop them from giving all the players big bonuses in the last few days of the season, then demoting and having all the cash back?

Originally posted by Bort
If the EQ changes like discussed, they wouldn't really get anything out of it, since their stadium would get reset.

Originally posted by Bort
Not anywhere near official, yet, tho.

1+1=3

Originally posted by Bort
Originally posted by wombat killer

Bort - you probably should have made some mention of the equipment change you are thinking about in the announcement or make another announcement.

Not anywhere near official, yet, tho. Might run into issues by the time we get to working through it all, etc.

It's pretty much the primary idea right now, though. We need to fix up the system in general somehow. It's just not very fun in the end.

At least put it on the "on the radar" section of changes then. People shouldn't have to read "this thread" to figure shit out.

Originally posted by OBFuSCaTe
Another great idea, you guys are on a roll this season. It will be very nice that teams finally have a chance to use their money for something of substance as opposed to EQ that can "leave" the team. One thing I hope does change with this new finance implementation is a more in depth finances page. If teams have more control over their money, let them also have a finance page that represents that control. Being able to view which section of seats were purchased, at how much. Which stadium construction, facilities, etc etc...

Definitely a +1 in my book.

Good point on the finances page. Might be a good chance to revamp ticket/concession sales to work more realistically.

So none of this will affect any teams that dropped cap prior to this announcement with a full stadium and money in the bank in any way?

It's actually pretty harsh demotion rules - teams lose their stadium more than they would have built up by the level

new announcement - Lv 34 - Stadium: +Lower Home Left, +Lower Home Right, +Lower Away Left, +Lower Away Right, +Lower Endzone Left, +Lower Endzone Right, +Second Home, +Second Away; Cash: 10,000,000; Fan Support: 30/10/0

by then you should have a full stadium and way more cash than that, so if you are going to demote you are best off re-setting the entire thing to level 4 and you'll be in FAR better shape financially than any of these pre-set stadiums

Originally posted by SawyerReywas
So none of this will affect any teams that dropped cap prior to this announcement with a full stadium and money in the bank in any way?

nope - they will always have the biggest advantage

Only tangentially related, but on the subject of equipment, I'd love to see equipment move away from giving straight up attribute bonuses.