Warrior General Games

Originally posted by risico
You're right, doh.

Though I would say the difference from added EQ is almost completely canceled by the difference in weight.

LOL bullcrap. Weight isn't going to have that much of an effect on acceleration. Spaceman is definitely faster from beginning to end with significantly less speed..

Originally posted by TheGreatAus
Higher speed=higher acceleration. Higher agility will allow you to reach that speed faster, not sure how you can refute that.
You're the one who said that "agility=acceleration," which is wrong. I have repeated explained that both speed & agility are factors in acceleration, and that each are to the magnitude that you can reach top speed in relatively short order without high agility.

Originally posted by
In fact, with DE's that have insanely high agility, they have bursts of acceleration that will take them PAST their top speed, as words written by Bort.
again. This is why I asked you to stop giving people advice until you learn the basics, because this is another statement that is completely untrue. High agility is not what allows dots to go beyond their normal top speed, the First Step SA is what does it. Bort changed First Step in S9 or so to allow for a temporary increase to top speed because he believed that high agility DEs were not benefiting from the SA (which was not necessarily true anyway, since 80 speed / 100 agility doesn't mean you're at full speed on the first tick the way that First Step does).

Originally posted by
I did those analyses way before DB's speed script came out and came to the same conclusions you did.
Cool, so now you're going to take credit for things that other people did. If you had discovered this stuff first, then I imagine people would actually know who you are, and I imagine that there wouldn't have been so much resistance to what I discovered. Hell, even now people keep insisting that agility = acceleration, about a year after I proved that it wasn't true.

Originally posted by
I can guarantee you wouldnt have the balls to critique anything like this in person, and if you do, you are likely perceived as an asshole by your peers.
The mistake you make is in thinking that I am rude and dismissive with everyone. I am not. I am rude and dismissive towards the people who deserve it, namely those who stubbornly insist on clinging to wrong information and then try to get others to believe that wrong information. Of course you don't want to see yourself as being someone worthy of rebuke, so you need to pretend like I treat everyone that way. And for the record, the people on this game who have known me for years can testify to the fact that this is exactly the way I am anywhere. I do not suffer fools.

Originally posted by
Edit: I also read the thread, and maybe you didnt, but Fromunda schooled your ass.
If you wishing made it so, then maybe I would have failed to make the World League playoffs three seasons in a row and you would have done better than 2-14. As others have stated, a consistent problem with advice on GLB forums is that the people giving it don't always know what they're talking about. That's you, chief.

Originally posted by Underdawg08
LOL bullcrap. Weight isn't going to have that much of an effect on acceleration. Spaceman is definitely faster from beginning to end with significantly less speed..

agree to disagree then, I have noticed that weight has a huge effect on acceleration and changes of direction.

Originally posted by jdbolick

Cool, so now you're going to take credit for things that other people did. If you had discovered this stuff first, then I imagine people would actually know who you are, and I imagine that there wouldn't have been so much resistance to what I discovered. Hell, even now people keep insisting that agility = acceleration, about a year after I proved that it wasn't true.


I could tell by a qualitative measure of the game, you know 'watching' it? And then comparing it to older games and seeing if there is a difference after I change something?

Originally posted by jdbolick
again. This is why I asked you to stop giving people advice until you learn the basics, because this is another statement that is completely untrue. High agility is not what allows dots to go beyond their normal top speed, the First Step SA is what does it. Bort changed First Step in S9 or so to allow for a temporary increase to top speed because he believed that high agility DEs were not benefiting from the SA (which was not necessarily true anyway, since 80 speed / 100 agility doesn't mean you're at full speed on the first tick the way that First Step does).

If you can point me to a test server/game where people have done a control study on the mix of first step without high agility, I would like to see that, because I dont think it exists to back-up what you are saying. If it does, so be it, I can stand to be wrong and learn something, even from the likes of you.

Originally posted by jdbolick
If you wishing made it so, then maybe I would have failed to make the World League playoffs three seasons in a row and you would have done better than 2-14. As others have stated, a consistent problem with advice on GLB forums is that the people giving it don't always know what they're talking about. That's you, chief.

What does you getting schooled in a thread that YOU referenced have to do with World League records? You got a good thing going and you can ride it out? Yup, still doesnt apply to your link, more specifically, this one: http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4226920&page=3#38200793 , that renders your arguement moot. And I have made it to the WL, how many others actually have?

But just to get back to your non-point:

Originally posted by TheGreatAus
I was referring to the historical aspect of the game. Back in the day, speed and agility were not linked, not like they are now where agility=acceleration. Back then, speed=acceleration. Now, yes, agility is crucial, but its a different beast than it was then.

Originally posted by TheGreatAus
How so? I could probably show you right now the acceleration increase Ive had on my WR simply due to the 20+ extra points in agility Ive put into it this season. No first step yet either, aside from CEQ.

Completely wrong?? Hardly, it is you going over board and saying agility is completely worthless with regards to acceleration, when clearly it is not. So who is more wrong? The guy who says its completely wrong? Or the guy who says its actually in the equation? I may not have stated it here, but I have in my builds forum: First step and Quick Cut are crucial, First step more with context to this discussion. In fact, if we could see what First step and Quick Cut are actually modifying, I would be willing to gander that agility is in their equations somewhere.

So really, its semantics and you blowing a top over a quick sentence I wrote. I have other crap to check where I spend more time in my posts (clearly not this one though) and giving out advice.

Oh, and I believe the phrase is eat it, I found my link (thats IN THIS FORUM, no edits either, turd sandwich) http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4242909&page=3#38055685 :

Originally posted by TheGreatAus
Thats true, but what I think jdbolick is getting at that higher speed values (130+) will require a higher accelaration factors since they have to get to their top speed in the same time. And honestly, agility is not as good as advertised with speedsters. First step and quick cut are what you want when you get agility to a respectable level (68+, assuming ALG's take it higher), its a better use of SP's in general.

So...jdbolick 0, Fromunda and TGA 2. Your record here isnt looking so good champ, just go back to your minors and casual league and lolGM status, youll do much better there.

Originally posted by TheGreatAus
I could tell by a qualitative measure of the game, you know 'watching' it? And then comparing it to older games and seeing if there is a difference after I change something?
Yeah, that's exactly the same kind of thinking that brought us the old chart about what attributes you need for SAs will fire. Furthermore, you're just lying about this because you want to be relevant. No one who matters even knows who you are. You didn't make any great contributions to the understanding of this game. Clearly you wish you were that type of person, but wishing doesn't make it so.

Originally posted by
If you can point me to a test server/game where people have done a control study on the mix of first step without high agility, I would like to see that, because I dont think it exists to back-up what you are saying. If it does, so be it, I can stand to be wrong and learn something, even from the likes of you.
Holy shit, dude. Bort himself is the one who said that First Step would give that temporary boost to top speed. It is so irritating that you have no clue what you're talking about, and yet you won't stop posting. It is maddening. PM Mat McBriar if you want the specific quotes from Bort.

Originally posted by
What does you getting schooled in a thread that YOU referenced have to do with World League records?
It's embarrassing that you keep claiming that I somehow got "schooled." First, that's just an incredibly douchy thing to say. Please use vernacular that doesn't make you come off like someone who still fantasizes about being in high school during the '80s. Secondly, no one with knowledge believes that I was in any way incorrect about anything I've said. I am the one who has exposed you geniuses as people who don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Originally posted by
Completely wrong?? Hardly, it is you going over board and saying agility is completely worthless with regards to acceleration, when clearly it is not. So who is more wrong? The guy who says its completely wrong? Or the guy who says its actually in the equation?
What in the word are you even babbling about? Please PM someone whose opinion you trust and ask them if you don't look completely ridiculous in this thread. You're the one who said that agility alone determines acceleration ("agility=acceleration"), which is completely wrong. Meanwhile I've actually been corrected your nonsense and the misinformation from others by pointing out what I actually proved, which is that speed and agility are both major components in acceleration, with those perhaps being equal parts.

Originally posted by
I may not have stated it here, but I have in my builds forum: First step and Quick Cut are crucial
Jesus Christ. Quick Cut has nothing to do with acceleration.

Originally posted by
So really, its semantics and you blowing a top over a quick sentence I wrote. I have other crap to check where I spend more time in my posts (clearly not this one though) and giving out advice.
No, it's not semantics at all. This is a matter of you repeatedly saying things that are completely untrue. You absolutely should not be giving advice to anyone because you don't have the knowledge to do so. In fact, people who listen to you are going to end up worse off than if they never listened to anyone, because you believe and say things that are totally false. Please, please, please stop giving advice to anyone else until you actually learn more about this game.

Originally posted by TheGreatAus
So...jdbolick 0, Fromunda and TGA 2. Your record here isnt looking so good champ, just go back to your minors and casual league and lolGM status, youll do much better there.

On the plus side, anyone who reads this thread will never take any advice from you on anything. It's just unfortunate that you're not one of those who realizes how bad you look.

You know you need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills jdbolick...

Originally posted by jdbolick

On the plus side, anyone who reads this thread will never take any advice from you on anything. It's just unfortunate that you're not one of those who realizes how bad you look.


Originally posted by TheGreatAus
Oh, and I believe the phrase is eat it, I found my link (thats IN THIS FORUM, no edits either, turd sandwich) http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4242909&page=3#38055685 :

Originally posted by TheGreatAus

Thats true, but what I think jdbolick is getting at that higher speed values (130+) will require a higher accelaration factors since they have to get to their top speed in the same time. And honestly, agility is not as good as advertised with speedsters. First step and quick cut are what you want when you get agility to a respectable level (68+, assuming ALG's take it higher), its a better use of SP's in general.


(I've bolded the important parts for you even. The first bolded sentence alone implies that agility and speed are tied together)

Need I say more? You took something I wrote out of context in a conversation . If you are telling me agility DOES NOT FACTOR IN, please reference this link: http://www.glbwiki.com/index.php?title=Player_Attributes and ctrl+f agility. If you have any other links that would dispute this, please, PLEASE post them, I love to be proved wrong. At least then I would have learned something from this thread, other than you really are a turd sandwich who has no sense of the obvious.

In fact, Im going to put what youve taken out of context

Originally posted by TheGreatAus
I was referring to the historical aspect of the game. Back in the day, speed and agility were not linked, not like they are now where agility=acceleration. Back then, speed=acceleration. Now, yes, agility is crucial, but its a different beast than it was then.

This part: agility=acceleration . All things being equal (speed and weight), if a player has NO FIRST STEP or ANYTHING ELSE TO MODIFY ACCELERATION, that equation stands true. What do you NOT get about that? The amount of acceleration is linked directly to the speed, yes, and I never once disputed that. In fact, I am certain I rebuffed it at one point. Before this, I stated this:

Originally posted by TheGreatAus

Thats true, but what I think jdbolick is getting at that higher speed values (130+) will require a higher accelaration factors since they have to get to their top speed in the same time. And honestly, agility is not as good as advertised with speedsters. First step and quick cut are what you want when you get agility to a respectable level (68+, assuming ALG's take it higher), its a better use of SP's in general.

I mean, if you are saying everything above, which I had stated in this thread specifically, is wrong
Originally posted by jdbolick
You're the one who said that agility alone determines acceleration ("agility=acceleration"), which is completely wrong. (This is from at least two of your posts)

Then this is all I have to say , because you sir, are a dumbass

lll even do the proof for you:

Speed1=speed1
agility1>agility2

speed1+agility1=acceleration1
speed1+agility2=acceleration2

Subtract the two equations, what do you get??

agility=acceleration! OMFG!

And in this case, since agility2<agility1, the larger agility (i.e. acceleration1>acceleration2 !!!!) has larger acceleration!! OMFG!

And if you still dont think that this reference: http://www.glbwiki.com/index.php?title=Player_Attributes is right, maybe you should contact someone who edits that site and inform them that they are misleading the entirety of GLB. GFY

Originally posted by TheGreatAus
lll even do the proof for you:

Speed1=speed1
agility1>agility2

speed1+agility1=acceleration1
speed1+agility2=acceleration2

Subtract the two equations, what do you get??

agility=acceleration! OMFG!

And in this case, since agility2<agility1, the larger agility (i.e. acceleration1>acceleration2 !!!!) has larger acceleration!! OMFG!

And if you still dont think that this reference: http://www.glbwiki.com/index.php?title=Player_Attributes is right, maybe you should contact someone who edits that site and inform them that they are misleading the entirety of GLB. GFY

FTW!

Originally posted by TheGreatAnus
In fact, Im going to put what youve taken out of context
Saying "agility = acceleration" means that you believe that agility is the only thing that affects acceleration. Even if that's not what you meant to say, it's still what you said, which means that you were wrong for doing so. Moreover, you have repeatedly said other things that are completely untrue, such as high agility letting you go beyond your normal maximum speed (that's actually due to the First Step SA, not high agility), and that Quick Cut somehow improves acceleration.

You are completely clueless about this game. You are a nobody who has never achieved anything in GLB, and you continuously say things that are not true. That's why I have a problem with you. You give "advice" to people when you're fundamentally ignorant, which means that anyone who is naive enough to listen will end up worse off because of you. That's a problem. If your ignorance only affected your experience on GLB, then no one else would care. The problem is when you start spouting your ignorance to other people, and potentially have them believing it. Just stop giving advice to anyone until you actually possess knowledge about this game.


Originally posted by TheGreatAnus
lll even do the proof for you:

Speed1=speed1
agility1>agility2

speed1+agility1=acceleration1
speed1+agility2=acceleration2

Subtract the two equations, what do you get??

agility=acceleration! OMFG!
Good lord, you can't even do algebra. No, that's not what you would get. You'd get agility1 - agility 2 = acceleration1 - acceleration2, which does not simplify to agility = acceleration. You're trying to invent bullshit excuses for saying something ignorant instead of just admitting that you screwed up. Moreover, that's not the equation for acceleration anyway.

Originally posted by jdbolick

Good lord, you can't even do algebra. No, that's not what you would get. You'd get agility1 - agility 2 = acceleration1 - acceleration2, which does not simplify to agility = acceleration.

\Delta \text{agi} = \Delta \text{acc} |_{v} actually, which is subtly and importantly different to what you are claiming.

If you're going to be horribly semantically pedantic about everything, at least get a fucking clue first.

Frightening.