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Originally posted by Sik Wit It
I understand the reason you're so mad is you're losing a bunch of money that you have managed well. I understand that. It would be somewhat frustrating to me too. Is it better for the game though? That's what you have to ask yourself. You can't tell me it's fair you can drop down with 125 mil and a full stadium when owners who try to do that now will be left with 1.5 mil and an empty stadium.

The fact that you think you should be entitled to this advantage just because you've been playing the game longer is really selfish, and completely ridiculous. You did, reset your team and start over right? So your current team has been around for lets say 5 seasons, and they have over $100,000,000 more than the team that starts at the same time, and for what exactly? Gutting and starting over?


Guess what? Where do you think my team started at in season 1? Been there buddy!
 
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Originally posted by Sik Wit It
So then you CAN see an advantage to having that money under the new system, right? Then my post doesn't apply to you. redwing keeps saying if he keeps 125 mil in the bank it will do nothing for his team.


but I played this game skillfully to get 80 million in 7 years. no gutting or demoting. I should have an advantage
 
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Originally posted by redwing
Originally posted by Sik Wit It

I understand the reason you're so mad is you're losing a bunch of money that you have managed well. I understand that. It would be somewhat frustrating to me too. Is it better for the game though? That's what you have to ask yourself. You can't tell me it's fair you can drop down with 125 mil and a full stadium when owners who try to do that now will be left with 1.5 mil and an empty stadium.

The fact that you think you should be entitled to this advantage just because you've been playing the game longer is really selfish, and completely ridiculous. You did, reset your team and start over right? So your current team has been around for lets say 5 seasons, and they have over $100,000,000 more than the team that starts at the same time, and for what exactly? Gutting and starting over?


Guess what? Where do you think my team started at in season 1? Been there buddy!


So you gutted and started over when? 5 seasons ago? Should a team that also started 5 seasons ago with 1.5 mil in the bank and an empty stadium be screwed just because you found the game earlier even if you both have the same level players and are in the same league?

If you answer yes to that, then it's pretty obvious you have a very selfish viewpoint whereas the rest of us are actually thinking about what's better for GLB.
 
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Originally posted by Sik Wit It
So you gutted and started over when? 5 seasons ago? Should a team that also started 5 seasons ago with 1.5 mil in the bank and an empty stadium be screwed just because you found the game earlier even if you both have the same level players and are in the same league?

If you answer yes to that, then it's pretty obvious you have a very selfish viewpoint whereas the rest of us are actually thinking about what's better for GLB.


lol. Is that you dpride?
 
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Originally posted by Lazer Noble
me I always hoped I'd have the cash for when they added stadium stuff.

just never expected my bank dealt in peso's


The pesos bring up a good analogy. The economics are changing, with the new demotion and minimum level rules, accumulating giant bankrolls will be harder to do, thus the money is no longer valued the same, it is effectively a new currency. You are keeping your money, it's just been exchanged.

You wont even be buying the same stuff as you were buying before. You are getting to spend all that money on stadium stuff like you wanted to. The could let you keep all your cash and just make the stadium stuff more expensive, but that would further imbalance the game because most teams could never buy any of it. And the imbalance is the reason for the new system in the first place.
 
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Originally posted by Fumanchuchu
The pesos bring up a good analogy. The economics are changing, with the new demotion and minimum level rules, accumulating giant bankrolls will be harder to do, thus the money is no longer valued the same, it is effectively a new currency. You are keeping your money, it's just been exchanged.

You wont even be buying the same stuff as you were buying before. You are getting to spend all that money on stadium stuff like you wanted to. The could let you keep all your cash and just make the stadium stuff more expensive, but that would further imbalance the game because most teams could never buy any of it. And the imbalance is the reason for the new system in the first place.


because we live in the microwave society

no one can wait, they see they must have it now
 
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Originally posted by Lazer Noble
but I played this game skillfully to get 80 million in 7 years. no gutting or demoting. I should have an advantage


And you will still have the advantage.

You aren't losing anything.
 
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Originally posted by Lazer Noble
Originally posted by Sik Wit It

So then you CAN see an advantage to having that money under the new system, right? Then my post doesn't apply to you. redwing keeps saying if he keeps 125 mil in the bank it will do nothing for his team.


but I played this game skillfully to get 80 million in 7 years. no gutting or demoting. I should have an advantage


Kudos to managing that money then. Do I see where you're coming from? Definitely. You spent that time budgeting that money, and you want something to show for it. It's unfortunate, but you can at least see why it's necessary, right? Like Fumanchuchu mentioned it will be much harder to accumulate a giant bankroll like that under the new system, which would give you an ever larger advantage over the others in your league.
 
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Originally posted by Sik Wit It
Again, if you don't think having all that extra money gives you any advantage, then why have you been going around the last 4 days threatening to quit multiple times in every topic? If that money gives you no advantage, then why does it matter if they take it away?


You should have to save up over several seasons before you get to the Pro League, if you're in the Pro League and broke, you DON'T deserve to be there! It only means that you haven't made sound financial decisions and planning for your team. What i was doing is saving money so I could make a few runs in the AA-Pro leagues so I could cover equipment costs etc. Now, you are jerking the rug out from under us and other teams and it kind of sucks ass!
 
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Originally posted by Fumanchuchu
And you will still have the advantage.

You aren't losing anything.


why.

I took it as money earned after this reset would be 1-1 buying the stuff, only the overage gets taxed

 
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I want the seasonal stuff so I'll get .20 on that 80 million I'll have in overage - so I'll lose 64 million when some asshat that has been buying shit dots for max will probably make 20 million
 
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Originally posted by Lazer Noble
because we live in the microwave society

no one can wait, they see they must have it now


What does that even mean?

It's like you keep responding to all the reasons you aren't getting screwed with meaningless soundbites because you have invested so much in being pissed that you can't let it go even though the thing you are pissed about isn't actually happening the way you think it is.

 
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Originally posted by Fumanchuchu
What does that even mean?

It's like you keep responding to all the reasons you aren't getting screwed with meaningless soundbites because you have invested so much in being pissed that you can't let it go even though the thing you are pissed about isn't actually happening the way you think it is.



like your posts are any better
 
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Originally posted by redwing
Originally posted by Sik Wit It

Again, if you don't think having all that extra money gives you any advantage, then why have you been going around the last 4 days threatening to quit multiple times in every topic? If that money gives you no advantage, then why does it matter if they take it away?


You should have to save up over several seasons before you get to the Pro League, if you're in the Pro League and broke, you DON'T deserve to be there! It only means that you haven't made sound financial decisions and planning for your team. What i was doing is saving money so I could make a few runs in the AA-Pro leagues so I could cover equipment costs etc. Now, you are jerking the rug out from under us and other teams and it kind of sucks ass!


If you're in a Pro League and broke, you don't deserve to be there? So should the team with the highest team cash win every time? This is a football sim. You've got to be kidding me.

Also you reset your team and banked all the cash for the future so you could afford equipment? That's not what you said a few pages ago:

Originally posted by redwing
Originally posted by QB Eater

I with Sik here. I have no problem with owners who gutted and ran with the money losing some of the value of that money. Many of us DID think about doing the same but didn't because we didn't want to destroy the competitiveness of the league. This practice is one of the major problems with GLB. A cap, even a soft one, should help reduce the number of gut jobs where teams do it and drop down with a full bank account to reload and beat up on the elementary school football teams.


The only reason we gutted and started over was because of player decline, not money!
Edited by Sik Wit It on Apr 18, 2010 21:46:46
 
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Originally posted by Sik Wit It
So you gutted and started over when? 5 seasons ago? Should a team that also started 5 seasons ago with 1.5 mil in the bank and an empty stadium be screwed just because you found the game earlier even if you both have the same level players and are in the same league?

If you answer yes to that, then it's pretty obvious you have a very selfish viewpoint whereas the rest of us are actually thinking about what's better for GLB.


It doesn't really matter because you assholes look at us all as complainers and can make it without us. It doesn't really matter at this point anyway because i am in the process of gutting my team and selling it back anyway. I just thought i'd be a voice for us guys that are getting fucked, that's all. Don't take it personally at all, but your asshole buddy can take it personally, and i'd like to buy him a beer, then gut him with the bottle after i break it over his head. At this point our bitches are falling on deaf ears anyway.
 
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