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Originally posted by redwing
Originally posted by Sik Wit It

You didn't break any rules, no. But however you must admit it is not fair at all to the competition around you, especially under the new system. It also makes NO sense from a realistic perspective. A team that falls off the face of the earth and essentially becomes a Pop Warner football team isn't going to have $125 million in backing.

Essentially what you're doing is taking the income of the New York Yankees which have been around since the beginning and giving it to the Tampa Devil Rays. Would you find that to be a fair comparison?

Essentially what you did was you had the New York Yankees, then you shut everything down and told your fans you were going to become the Pee Wee Yankees, sign all 14 year olds, and compete against other local softball teams, yet you still managed to have $125 million in assets the whole time.

Originally posted by QB Eater
I with Sik here. I have no problem with owners who gutted and ran with the money losing some of the value of that money. Many of us DID think about doing the same but didn't because we didn't want to destroy the competitiveness of the league. This practice is one of the major problems with GLB. A cap, even a soft one, should help reduce the number of gut jobs where teams do it and drop down with a full bank account to reload and beat up on the elementary school football teams.

The only reason we gutted and started over was because of player decline, not money!

Originally posted by UsCtRoJaNs1820
What competitiveness are you talking about? 255-0 games aren't competitive and not to mention how many CPU teams we have. That's the real problem with GLB that should have been first on the agenda but season after season it simply gets ignored.

All I've seen over that past 3 seasons is stronger and stronger league competition. That's been getting better, not worse. And many of the changes that got flamed are responsible for it.

Originally posted by redwing
The only reason we gutted and started over was because of player decline, not money!

So you shouldn't mind losing the money.

Originally posted by telencephalon
Salary cap, luxury tax, moral reserve, etc. etc. Not to mention, all the good work done with finances in the past getting rebooted. Not to mention all the new CPU teams because the vast majority of current owners are going to blow up their teams. Again, if you're a die hard GLB dork, you'll keep fighting the good fight and hopefully earn a few of those free popcorn days in the process. But, most are looking at this shit and won't bother.


Salary cap, luxury tax and moral reserve,

ARE ALREADY PROGRAMMED FOR YOU

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO DO A SINGLE THING IN REGARDS TO THIS.

Originally posted by Sik Wit It
Originally posted by redwing

Originally posted by Sik Wit It


You didn't break any rules, no. But however you must admit it is not fair at all to the competition around you, especially under the new system. It also makes NO sense from a realistic perspective. A team that falls off the face of the earth and essentially becomes a Pop Warner football team isn't going to have $125 million in backing.

Essentially what you're doing is taking the income of the New York Yankees which have been around since the beginning and giving it to the Tampa Devil Rays. Would you find that to be a fair comparison?

Essentially what you did was you had the New York Yankees, then you shut everything down and told your fans you were going to become the Pee Wee Yankees, sign all 14 year olds, and compete against other local softball teams, yet you still managed to have $125 million in assets the whole time.

Now don't get me wrong, this wasn't against the rules at all, and I don't blame owners who did this, because you literally could do nothing about it. You couldn't give that money away if you tried. Which is fine. But since we're implementing this new system where money actually matters, do you think it's fair for some teams to have dropped down with HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS in the bank while the rules now state you can't retain any of your money if you demote? It's just not a level playing field. Does it suck for some teams that had a lot in the bank? Sure, but ultimately you were NOT going to be able to spend that money until probably another calendar year anyway, and you probably shouldn't have still had it in the first place.

Originally posted by Deathblade
A level 22 capped team with 150m in cash and a full stadium isn't "accomplished"...

So tell me then who will run the lvl cap teams? If you now lose most of what you build by demoting, who will demote? So now we will have a problem where there are no teams in the capped leagues, because no one wants to lose their work. Then there will be to many teams in the upper leagues not enough talent for them and then all the people who couldn't compete will still not be able to compete. Tell me the value of this.

Originally posted by Sik Wit It
What? What the hell does money have to do with it? Is that what you just asked me? I really don't even know what to say to that. You've been the one all over these threads the past 4 days saying how you're going to gut your team time after time again because they're taking your money away. I've literally seen you post almost the exact same thing like 50 times in the last 4 days, then you say what the hell does money have to do with it?

I also don't know how you got "So you're saying that because some of us have been playing since season 1 we should not have an accomplished team accumulated?" out of my post.

What i'm saying is: It doesn't matter if we have more money, we're playing in the 30 cap with level 27 players, now how the hell is THAT having an advantage? TELL ME!

Originally posted by Fumanchuchu
All I've seen over that past 3 seasons is stronger and stronger league competition. That's been getting better, not worse. And many of the changes that got flamed are responsible for it.

lol

last year I think our entire AA got promoted including 0-16 CPU teams

Originally posted by mm898989
If you now lose most of what you build by demoting, who will demote?

Hopefully nobody...but wishful thinking etc

Originally posted by Lazer Noble
I made it this far against teams with tons of money in low leagues....

Are you suggesting that a huge bankroll isn't that much of an advantage?

If it's not, then why don't you mind losing it?

Either it's a huge advantage that causes competitive balance issues, so it should be changed.

Or it's not a big deal, so you shouldn't mind the change.

Which one is it?

Originally posted by mm898989
Originally posted by Deathblade

A level 22 capped team with 150m in cash and a full stadium isn't "accomplished"...

So tell me then who will run the lvl cap teams? If you now lose most of what you build by demoting, who will demote? So now we will have a problem where there are no teams in the capped leagues, because no one wants to lose their work. Then there will be to many teams in the upper leagues not enough talent for them and then all the people who couldn't compete will still not be able to compete. Tell me the value of this.

Those 3 bolded words were the biggest problem. BUILD BY DEMOTING should never be an option. Demotion is a bad thing, not a good thing. As for who will be in capped league? Uh...every team there now, and new teams starting over. Hundreds of teams are given out every season to owners. People won't think twice about demoting still if they don't have the roster to compete. What other option do they have? Not to mention if they DO demote, they will be given a good amount of money that's appropriate to their league, and they can start building again.

nvm.

Originally posted by Deathblade
Hopefully nobody...but wishful thinking etc

Good to see you missed the point. I think there might be an place for you in the GLB front office!

Originally posted by redwing
Originally posted by Sik Wit It

What? What the hell does money have to do with it? Is that what you just asked me? I really don't even know what to say to that. You've been the one all over these threads the past 4 days saying how you're going to gut your team time after time again because they're taking your money away. I've literally seen you post almost the exact same thing like 50 times in the last 4 days, then you say what the hell does money have to do with it?

I also don't know how you got "So you're saying that because some of us have been playing since season 1 we should not have an accomplished team accumulated?" out of my post.

What i'm saying is: It doesn't matter if we have more money, we're playing in the 30 cap with level 27 players, now how the hell is THAT having an advantage? TELL ME!

Because you can pay everyone a Max Salary and buy a bunch of these bonuses that the team who started out with 1.5 mil in the bank can't afford.