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Originally posted by bhall43
It doesn't matter still because there aren't even 64 teams outside of WL that are WL ready. There aren't even 32 teams in the game that are WL ready in the actual WL.

Honestly I think this contraction is too late. The idea has been passed by and all this does is add twice the competition for the same people between WL and Pro. Which to me is pretty boring.


Likely true, but you aren't going to get better unless you face better competition on a regular basis. The top teams in Pro are bored because there is no competition. I'm suggesting that contraction isn't enough because it doesn't reflect the reality of the quality of the teams. Teams facing equal competition should be the goal of this game. If teams are butthurt because they've always been able to coast at the bottom of Pro and are now going to wash out, then they shouldn't be in Pro, they are not good enough.
 
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Originally posted by bug03
Nobody wants to be the 100th best team in glb. Going 2-14 in pro is far more humbling than being 8-8 in pro like they are now. I think there are going to be some very upset agents and I'm not sure if it's going to be the mediocre pro teams or the teams who get relegated to regional pro.

That being said, forcing moreteams to Gamelan more often will increase competitive balance at the top. The better coordinators with experience will still cruise to wl.

This is good for the game, and it makes pro relevant again, but whether or not teams will play knowing they might not stay in pro anymore is yet to be seen


Teams that can't handle the competition, but still want to be considered "pro" are a joke. Why not make 29 world leagues so that everyone can feel like they have made it?

The goal of this contraction is to make pro more competitive. It is the admission that there isn't enough competitive teams to fill 8 pro leagues. I suggest there isn't enough to fill 4. There will still be blowouts between the top five teams when they play the bottom five teams. If you want to have equalish talent from the top to the bottom, you need to actually look at the results of games between the top 25, top 50, top 100, and top 200 teams to see how deep the talent goes.
 
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Seems that this change benefits GLB more than the paying customers, as this takes half the teams that would have won a Championship out of the picture! And I challenge you to show me one Team that has Won a League Championship, that is willing to say "hey we didn't deserve to Win this...

 
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Originally posted by Rngdancr

Seems that this change benefits GLB more than the paying customers, as this takes half the teams that would have won a Championship out of the picture! And I challenge you to show me one Team that has Won a League Championship, that is willing to say "hey we didn't deserve to Win this...



What?
 
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You are saying that like blowouts don't happen in the wl too

It doesn't even have to be a bottom 5 team, hell we made the playoffs last season and we got beat by 30+ three different times.

When usually there are 2 maybe 3 teams that have a chance, now you go to upwards of six (of eight) possible winners in a single conference. It also still has the average teams who pull occasional upsets.
 
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Originally posted by Rngdancr

Seems that this change benefits GLB more than the paying customers, as this takes half the teams that would have won a Championship out of the picture! And I challenge you to show me one Team that has Won a League Championship, that is willing to say "hey we didn't deserve to Win this...



The demoting teams all suck and can't make the playoffs. How would they fare against better competition
 
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Originally posted by Dr. Showtime
You are saying that like blowouts don't happen in the wl too

It doesn't even have to be a bottom 5 team, hell we made the playoffs last season and we got beat by 30+ three different times.

When usually there are 2 maybe 3 teams that have a chance, now you go to upwards of six (of eight) possible winners in a single conference. It also still has the average teams who pull occasional upsets.


WL didn't have 'legit' GLB blowouts. I'm talking about how even after contraction there are going to be pro teams that get 255ed.
 
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And WL shouldn't be demoting 16... 10 + guts and resets.
 
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Originally posted by Time Trial
WL didn't have 'legit' GLB blowouts. I'm talking about how even after contraction there are going to be pro teams that get 255ed.


No they won't because making the playoffs is a requirements

Even if they do they will get wiped back down. It's not like today where a team can lose 12 games by 100 but win 3 by 200 and stay up
 
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Its just gonna be the same guys making playoffs in wl promoting teams from pro. That's all you get from a smaller pool and more competition. Very few outsiders/newcomers are ever gonna sneak through.
 
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Originally posted by bhall43
Its just gonna be the same guys making playoffs in wl promoting teams from pro. That's all you get from a smaller pool and more competition. Very few outsiders/newcomers are ever gonna sneak through.


this. Should prb just rename WL to Network League with this change TBPH.
 
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Originally posted by We_Rule
this. Should prb just rename WL to Network League with this change TBPH.


its why the effects of this won't truly be realized for quite a few seasons down the road.

the game has had a coordinator problem for quite awhile now. hopefully with increased requirement of competition will foster the next wave of guys ...
 
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Originally posted by bhall43
Its just gonna be the same guys making playoffs in wl promoting teams from pro. That's all you get from a smaller pool and more competition. Very few outsiders/newcomers are ever gonna sneak through.


Let's face it: no one who was going to make the WL under the old rules will be precluded from making WL under the new rules. There wasn't going to be some 8-8 team sneaking into the WL under the old system, and there won't be under the new system. The quality if the 8-8 team may be slightly elevated over the 8-8 team under the current system, but their ability to beat the 13-3 to 16-0 teams is no greater than it ever was.

Season 31 8-8 teams will be the season 30 10-6 or 11-5 teams. The fact that we are promoting the same number of teams means that the quality of team will not be markedly improved over the current system.

It makes Pro slightly more relevant than it currently is, but I'm still not convinced that it addresses the needs of the current and future GLB population. It is a step in the right direction, but I believe that GLB needs to be taking two steps in that direction, not one.
 
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Get rid of WL, send the best 32 teams back to the 4 Pro Leagues.

Make the GLB Tournament the Grand Prize.
 
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Originally posted by Sabataged
Get rid of WL, send the best 32 teams back to the 4 Pro Leagues.

Make the GLB Tournament the Grand Prize.


that would do more harm than good tbh

the WL teams are instantly unbeatable for 90% of the league

the other 10% are the other wl teams
 
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