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demonicangel
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http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n193/chrispurdon/theory.jpg

Take a look at the picture indicated above. The circles are diffrent levels of catching. They signify the depth the wr is able to attempt to make a catch. When the ball is thrown in the general vacinity of the appropriate range for the wr, he takes a shot at catching the ball. If this is how it was created it would explain many problems wr's are having at dropping passes.

For example.

Lets say my Wr build is

Jumping 20
Speed 50
Agility 45
Catching 45
Vision 30


We can all see that if the ball is launched to the most outter ring the WR will attempt to make the play. This is where the other attributes come into play. If its a deep pass that is hard thrown, Speed will become obsolete, the player cant run faster than the ball. The player must make the jump for the play. Is his jumping high enough? If it isnt, the ball hits off his fingers, and becomes a drop. If his jumping is high enough that would become a catch.

Now lets say said receiver's qb threw the pass in a softer loftier setting. Now he has to adjust his speed to make the catch. With the pass being in the outter ring, does he have the speed to catch up? Or will it be a over throw? Once again, if the player doesnt have the speed, the ball is likely to just tap his fingers, resulting in once again a dropped pass. If he is fast enough, receiver is hit in stride and takes in in for 6.

If this is true, then catching becomes more of a presise attribute, that has to be controlled, rather than a speed and agility that can just be flooded.

Lets see the hate posts now.
 
SamsonsToupee
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nice write up. I agree that you can put TOO MUCH sp's into catching. Jumping/Vision is starting to be more of a factor in GLB for WR's. Personally once I get to 30 Catching, I am done for awhile. Seems like this year all too often WR's with high catching drop just as many balls as WR's with low catching........then again maybe they are trying to catch more difficult passes resulting in a "drop" rather than an "incomplete pass". this debate could go on forever..........
 
TheGreatPuma
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The theory makes sense if you assume you know what defines a Dropped Pass in GLB. I don't think I've ever seen a good explanation of how the sim determines if an incompletion is simply incomplete or is a dropped pass.
 
Anon14
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but wont you rather have a drop then an incomplete pass?
at least you 'almost' / had a chance to catch it
 
JeffSteele
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Originally posted by Anon14
but wont you rather have a drop then an incomplete pass?
at least you 'almost' / had a chance to catch it
he's arguing that in many cases, it was a terrible pass. however, because the WR had a chance at the play, he went for it and it hit off his hands because it was such a terrible ball. sort of like calling a ball an error when it forces the SS to dive super-far to his right. he might be able to make it b/c he's super, but really that's a bad throw by the QB.
 
demonicangel
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Originally posted by SyedAshrafulla
Originally posted by Anon14

but wont you rather have a drop then an incomplete pass?
at least you 'almost' / had a chance to catch it
he's arguing that in many cases, it was a terrible pass. however, because the WR had a chance at the play, he went for it and it hit off his hands because it was such a terrible ball. sort of like calling a ball an error when it forces the SS to dive super-far to his right. he might be able to make it b/c he's super, but really that's a bad throw by the QB.


Ya you got it for the most part. It also shows that in order to make super catching work, you need to have super everything aswell.
 
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Originally posted by demonicangel
Originally posted by SyedAshrafulla

Originally posted by Anon14


but wont you rather have a drop then an incomplete pass?
at least you 'almost' / had a chance to catch it
he's arguing that in many cases, it was a terrible pass. however, because the WR had a chance at the play, he went for it and it hit off his hands because it was such a terrible ball. sort of like calling a ball an error when it forces the SS to dive super-far to his right. he might be able to make it b/c he's super, but really that's a bad throw by the QB.


Ya you got it for the most part. It also shows that in order to make super catching work, you need to have super everything aswell.
or a high-throwing QB.
 
knudlen
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been a good thread that said exactly this being bumped in the WR thread for 3 weeks or so. nice graphic though
 
kevzor
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Pretty good theory but i think only a hand few of people ¨mods/bort¨ know
 
skel1977
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Originally posted by demonicangel
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n193/chrispurdon/theory.jpg



Wow if i had 50 catching i could catch 20 yards ahead of me!
 
Viscount
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Originally posted by kevzor
Pretty good theory but i think only a hand few of people ¨mods/bort¨ know


Even the moderators don't know it's just Bort.
 
cmo316
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Originally posted by skel1977
Originally posted by demonicangel

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n193/chrispurdon/theory.jpg



Wow if i had 50 catching i could catch 20 yards ahead of me!


thats what i was thinking, 20 yds? WOW!!
 
Iversen
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Originally posted by SamsonsToupee
nice write up. I agree that you can put TOO MUCH sp's into catching. Jumping/Vision is starting to be more of a factor in GLB for WR's. Personally once I get to 30 Catching, I am done for awhile. Seems like this year all too often WR's with high catching drop just as many balls as WR's with low catching........then again maybe they are trying to catch more difficult passes resulting in a "drop" rather than an "incomplete pass". this debate could go on forever..........


Drops is a next to worthless stat really . Yeah you drop more balls with higher catching , I can co-sign that . But you also get more balls thrown at you and most likely more catches as well .

My 2 cents .
 
gijosh
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Originally posted by Iversen5771
Originally posted by SamsonsToupee

nice write up. I agree that you can put TOO MUCH sp's into catching. Jumping/Vision is starting to be more of a factor in GLB for WR's. Personally once I get to 30 Catching, I am done for awhile. Seems like this year all too often WR's with high catching drop just as many balls as WR's with low catching........then again maybe they are trying to catch more difficult passes resulting in a "drop" rather than an "incomplete pass". this debate could go on forever..........


Drops is a next to worthless stat really . Yeah you drop more balls with higher catching , I can co-sign that . But you also get more balls thrown at you and most likely more catches as well .

My 2 cents .

agreed. My WR has quite a few drops, but is also 4th in my league for most yards. I also play on a very outranked team is almost every game we play. I imagine with our young line, young QB, lots of passes are being thrown under pressure. I imagine Jumping would be like int he NFL the WRs ability to catch jump balls like fade passes and make diving catches, besides the SAs. I also think many times, WRs dont have lots of strength and may be getting the piss kicked out of them by hard hitting CBs and S's.

 
gijosh
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Originally posted by cmo316
Originally posted by skel1977

Originally posted by demonicangel


http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n193/chrispurdon/theory.jpg



Wow if i had 50 catching i could catch 20 yards ahead of me!


that's what i was thinking, 20 yds? WOW!!


not that you would catch it, but that your WR would attempt to make the catch, not just let be overthrown.

It's like fielding percentage in MLB. the faster the outfielder, the more chances he has on catching the ball, but with more chances to catch, he has more chances to drop. whereas slower outfielders dont have chances to make plays, so it doesn't affect their FP.
 
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