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Cactus71
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I think its to hard to find a team where you can play nobody wants to sign barry as a backup
 
ohmite
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My team doesn't have too much trouble running the ball. We have a RB that has 521 carries with a 4.9 avg. I hope we can make it to USA Pro this season.
 
501whodat
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every winning team in our conference wins by running the ball. if you have success running, you control the game. it doesn't matter so much whether you get 100+yards, but how successful you are making first downs and long drives. if you can do that 9/10 times you win.
 
Riggs_Inator
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Majority of teams don't do that. Your team does though. And its probably a big reason why they have a losing record.
 
plcmds
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USA Pro Box scores when the top teams face off
Notice Anything?

Detroit Kalamazoo
TOTAL NET YARDS 415 242
TOTAL RUSHING YARDS 84 59
Rushes 31 28
Yards/Rush 2.7 2.1
TOTAL PASSING YARDS 331 183


Chicago Kalamazoo
TOTAL NET YARDS 275.5 303.5
TOTAL RUSHING YARDS 19.5 61.5
Rushes 19 35
Yards/Rush 1 1.8
TOTAL PASSING YARDS 256 242

Philadelphia Kalamazoo
TOTAL NET YARDS 300 193.5
TOTAL RUSHING YARDS 53 45
Rushes 26 29
Yards/Rush 2 1.6
TOTAL PASSING YARDS 247 148.5

eam Stats
Philadelphia Chicago
TOTAL NET YARDS 369.5 238
TOTAL RUSHING YARDS 54.5 66.5
Rushes 29 21
Yards/Rush 1.9 3.2
TOTAL PASSING YARDS 315 171.5

eam Stats
Detroit Philadelphia
TOTAL NET YARDS 362 238
TOTAL RUSHING YARDS 39.5 43
Rushes 27 25
Yards/Rush 1.5 1.7
TOTAL PASSING YARDS 322.5 195

Team Stats
Chicago Detroit
TOTAL NET YARDS 289.5 77.5
TOTAL RUSHING YARDS 90 -54.5
Rushes 31 30
Yards/Rush 2.9 -1.8
TOTAL PASSING YARDS 199.5 132

The average yards per carry is in the Eddie George range.
 
popeyejones
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^^^^ Yes, exactly. This is what the problem is. Using USA Pro is a perfect example for what happens to running at the elite levels.

First, let's look at the NFL last year.

The Vikings had the best rush defense in the entire league (32 teams), and gave up 74 yards a game on the ground last year.

In USA Pro right now with the season almost over (32 teams), there are 15 teams who are giving up less than 74 yards a game on the ground. Essentially, half of the entire USA Pro league has a better rush defense than the best rush defense in the NFL this year.

What about being twice as good as the best rush defense in the NFL last year? There are still 7 teams that give up less than half the rushing yards than the best rush defense in the NFL last year.

There are three teams that give up less than 15 rushing yards a game, and the
D.C. Warpath, with three games left in the season are giving up -4.3 yards a game.

Some people might say that this is because teams in GLB prefer the pass. Maybe, but one reason people prefer the pass is because rushing quite simple doesn't work against elite teams at anywhere near the rate it does in the NFL. Although we can't see defensive YPC, it's still safe to say that rushing is a major problem in GLB, and gets bigger as the game goes on.
 
Ace
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I have just received word that some major changes in the game will be taking place next season and that Bort is already adjusting the running game for next season.

 
popeyejones
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Originally posted by bballplayaj
I have just received word that some major changes in the game will be taking place next season and that Bort is already adjusting the running game for next season.



Great News!

Out of curiosity, has he posted about this somewhere?

 
ahnonamis
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The reason backs aren't performing well against similar leveled teams is because defenses build the entire left side of the field with the intent of stopping runners, and the right side with their pass rushers/defenders. When we can pick how often to run left/right and teams are forced to spread out their run stopping players more, things should improve.
 
Laggo
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What I'm averaging like 5 yards a carry against similar competition so I'm not sure what you guys are complaining about.
 
Ken1
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Originally posted by plcmds
USA Pro Box scores when the top teams face off
Notice Anything?

Detroit Kalamazoo
TOTAL NET YARDS 415 242
TOTAL RUSHING YARDS 84 59
Rushes 31 28
Yards/Rush 2.7 2.1
TOTAL PASSING YARDS 331 183


Chicago Kalamazoo
TOTAL NET YARDS 275.5 303.5
TOTAL RUSHING YARDS 19.5 61.5
Rushes 19 35
Yards/Rush 1 1.8
TOTAL PASSING YARDS 256 242

Philadelphia Kalamazoo
TOTAL NET YARDS 300 193.5
TOTAL RUSHING YARDS 53 45
Rushes 26 29
Yards/Rush 2 1.6
TOTAL PASSING YARDS 247 148.5

eam Stats
Philadelphia Chicago
TOTAL NET YARDS 369.5 238
TOTAL RUSHING YARDS 54.5 66.5
Rushes 29 21
Yards/Rush 1.9 3.2
TOTAL PASSING YARDS 315 171.5

eam Stats
Detroit Philadelphia
TOTAL NET YARDS 362 238
TOTAL RUSHING YARDS 39.5 43
Rushes 27 25
Yards/Rush 1.5 1.7
TOTAL PASSING YARDS 322.5 195

Team Stats
Chicago Detroit
TOTAL NET YARDS 289.5 77.5
TOTAL RUSHING YARDS 90 -54.5
Rushes 31 30
Yards/Rush 2.9 -1.8
TOTAL PASSING YARDS 199.5 132

The average yards per carry is in the Eddie George range.


I agree with your point, except you leave it sounding like passing works okay.

Passing is also broken; it just can be the only way to move the ball at all because of how badly broken rushing is. Real life yards per rush attempt is 4.0 on average. Per pass attempt in real life it's 6.9.

In USA Pro, even with stat padding, only one team is above real life typical yards per pass attempt, and the #2 team-- second best in the category-- is all the way down at 6.1.

And of course only one team is above the real-life median of 4 yards per rush attempt, although two are at 4.

And those are all cases of padded stats, so offense is broken, both rushing and passing-- although Bort has said that his Season 4 updates should give it a boost.

I would say that the start of the fix is with something that would have the most direct effect on rushing: Making it harder to tackle. It would also indirectly help passing as well, though, if everyone on defense (including the secondary) needed much more tackling skill (and if they didn't, it's YAC time).
 
Ken1
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Originally posted by Laggo
What I'm averaging like 5 yards a carry against similar competition so I'm not sure what you guys are complaining about.


Similar competition?

Look, your Coyotes are a great team and you deserve lots of credit for assembling that much talent. But they are a far better team than anyone else in Africa Pro.
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naraic
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I think he is talking about his HB
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=73135

Anyway if you took out the blow out 300 yard game he would have 4 ypc
 
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Originally posted by bballplayaj
-RB's are so obviously under-utilized in this game and it's sad. The majority of teams in GLB use a pass first offense similar to the New England Patriots and are leaving RB's to around 10 rushes if that and 50 yds or less.

-My LVL 23 RB is very well built but has never reached his full potential because GLB is a pass first game.

-As a whole, the disparity between the passing game and running game is unbelievable. I'm beginning to wish I made a QB or WR instead of an RB. . .


I've actually noticed the exact opposite but I'm not going to be all 15-year old drama queen about it like you have been. If you don't feel like you're getting the carries ask to be traded in the off-season. There are plenty of run first offenses.
 
SCACE
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rushing is getting a boost in season 4. you'll see it as a more effective option.
 
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