send out an email to everyone and see how many stat whores come back just to get their players on HOF. might be a good way to generate renewed interest in the game.
Forum > Goal Line Blitz > s75 seems to be the perfect time to create a new HOF that only includes stats from WL
Larry Roadgrader
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1st Ballot HOF: https://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1405746
The most dominant receiving TE in World League History, Todd Roadgrader helped HOOD to a World League Title in Season 23, putting up over 1400 yards during the regular season and capping it with an 11-catch, 1 TD performance in the Title Game win. Todd Roadgrader is the All time World League leader in receptions (584) and receiving yards (8,028). He put up 5 consecutive 1,000 yard seasons at the World League level.
The most dominant receiving TE in World League History, Todd Roadgrader helped HOOD to a World League Title in Season 23, putting up over 1400 yards during the regular season and capping it with an 11-catch, 1 TD performance in the Title Game win. Todd Roadgrader is the All time World League leader in receptions (584) and receiving yards (8,028). He put up 5 consecutive 1,000 yard seasons at the World League level.
Great idea... only one problem. GLB never even got Special Teams stats right the 1st time and never fixed it despite cries and pleas from plenty of people. 
Sooooo... not holdin my breath on this one. 
Sooooo... not holdin my breath on this one. Sonic
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Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader
1st Ballot HOF: https://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1405746
The most dominant receiving TE in World League History, Todd Roadgrader helped HOOD to a World League Title in Season 23, putting up over 1400 yards during the regular season and capping it with an 11-catch, 1 TD performance in the Title Game win. Todd Roadgrader is the All time World League leader in receptions (584) and receiving yards (8,028). He put up 5 consecutive 1,000 yard seasons at the World League level.
Top dot! Always wondered what he looked like.
1st Ballot HOF: https://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1405746
The most dominant receiving TE in World League History, Todd Roadgrader helped HOOD to a World League Title in Season 23, putting up over 1400 yards during the regular season and capping it with an 11-catch, 1 TD performance in the Title Game win. Todd Roadgrader is the All time World League leader in receptions (584) and receiving yards (8,028). He put up 5 consecutive 1,000 yard seasons at the World League level.
Top dot! Always wondered what he looked like.
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Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
Great idea... only one problem. GLB never even got Special Teams stats right the 1st time and never fixed it despite cries and pleas from plenty of people. Sooooo... not holdin my breath on this one.
and thus why I no longer build returners. back when I was a bugs mod, the worst argument i got into with catch was over a FB getting screwed out of a STMVP. He won 5 of the 6 categories by large margins (not KR yards) and came in SIXTH for MVP. the reason being that I couldnt name any real life returners that normally played FB. silly me thought that it should be based GLB field performance, not IRL football. ST and K/P MVPs should be so easy to calculate and yet they are the most screwed up. sure, the punter that averages 30 yards a punt on 300 punts deserves a pro mvp for that....said no one ever, except bort. i've still yet to figure out the STMVPs that don't even play on ST at all.
Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader
1st Ballot HOF: https://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1405746
The most dominant receiving TE in World League History, Todd Roadgrader helped HOOD to a World League Title in Season 23, putting up over 1400 yards during the regular season and capping it with an 11-catch, 1 TD performance in the Title Game win. Todd Roadgrader is the All time World League leader in receptions (584) and receiving yards (8,028). He put up 5 consecutive 1,000 yard seasons at the World League level.
you misunderstand. make the new HOF starting NOW. no stats prior to s75 would count. there would be zero benefit in just rehashing the old list.
Great idea... only one problem. GLB never even got Special Teams stats right the 1st time and never fixed it despite cries and pleas from plenty of people.
Sooooo... not holdin my breath on this one. and thus why I no longer build returners. back when I was a bugs mod, the worst argument i got into with catch was over a FB getting screwed out of a STMVP. He won 5 of the 6 categories by large margins (not KR yards) and came in SIXTH for MVP. the reason being that I couldnt name any real life returners that normally played FB. silly me thought that it should be based GLB field performance, not IRL football. ST and K/P MVPs should be so easy to calculate and yet they are the most screwed up. sure, the punter that averages 30 yards a punt on 300 punts deserves a pro mvp for that....said no one ever, except bort. i've still yet to figure out the STMVPs that don't even play on ST at all.
Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader
1st Ballot HOF: https://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1405746
The most dominant receiving TE in World League History, Todd Roadgrader helped HOOD to a World League Title in Season 23, putting up over 1400 yards during the regular season and capping it with an 11-catch, 1 TD performance in the Title Game win. Todd Roadgrader is the All time World League leader in receptions (584) and receiving yards (8,028). He put up 5 consecutive 1,000 yard seasons at the World League level.
you misunderstand. make the new HOF starting NOW. no stats prior to s75 would count. there would be zero benefit in just rehashing the old list.
Originally posted by Guppy, Inc
i've still yet to figure out the STMVPs that don't even play on ST at all.
I think, although it's pretty hard to prove conclusively, that the stats crossover. So if you build a STOP Center that also serves as a pass blocker on passing downs (yes... I've seen it since the builds are similar enough) as well as Long Snapper on FG tries, then any stats they get while playing those positions are considered when doing ST MVP stat counting. Same for any defensive dots that play both on defense and on ST's. For that matter, any dot that pulls dual duty. You wanna cheat the system with returners? Simply have them play on offense (or, if CB returner, on defense) as well as return kicks and punts. As I said... the whole ST stat keeping system is a train wreck and can be exploited easily.
i've still yet to figure out the STMVPs that don't even play on ST at all.
I think, although it's pretty hard to prove conclusively, that the stats crossover. So if you build a STOP Center that also serves as a pass blocker on passing downs (yes... I've seen it since the builds are similar enough) as well as Long Snapper on FG tries, then any stats they get while playing those positions are considered when doing ST MVP stat counting. Same for any defensive dots that play both on defense and on ST's. For that matter, any dot that pulls dual duty. You wanna cheat the system with returners? Simply have them play on offense (or, if CB returner, on defense) as well as return kicks and punts. As I said... the whole ST stat keeping system is a train wreck and can be exploited easily.
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Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
I think, although it's pretty hard to prove conclusively, that the stats crossover. So if you build a STOP Center that also serves as a pass blocker on passing downs (yes... I've seen it since the builds are similar enough) as well as Long Snapper on FG tries, then any stats they get while playing those positions are considered when doing ST MVP stat counting. Same for any defensive dots that play both on defense and on ST's. For that matter, any dot that pulls dual duty. You wanna cheat the system with returners? Simply have them play on offense (or, if CB returner, on defense) as well as return kicks and punts. As I said... the whole ST stat keeping system is a train wreck and can be exploited easily.
nope. tested out that theory a few times. but also not what I was talking about. I literally have seen STMVPs that didnt play a single play on ST. i've even sent them into support. a few seasons ago, a player won who wasn't even in the league during the regular season, that means there is some wacky random selection. also saw a mvp that wasnt in the league after game 16. one of the mvp criteria that I knew as a fact is that you drop out of the mvp rankings if you leave the conference.
I think, although it's pretty hard to prove conclusively, that the stats crossover. So if you build a STOP Center that also serves as a pass blocker on passing downs (yes... I've seen it since the builds are similar enough) as well as Long Snapper on FG tries, then any stats they get while playing those positions are considered when doing ST MVP stat counting. Same for any defensive dots that play both on defense and on ST's. For that matter, any dot that pulls dual duty. You wanna cheat the system with returners? Simply have them play on offense (or, if CB returner, on defense) as well as return kicks and punts. As I said... the whole ST stat keeping system is a train wreck and can be exploited easily.
nope. tested out that theory a few times. but also not what I was talking about. I literally have seen STMVPs that didnt play a single play on ST. i've even sent them into support. a few seasons ago, a player won who wasn't even in the league during the regular season, that means there is some wacky random selection. also saw a mvp that wasnt in the league after game 16. one of the mvp criteria that I knew as a fact is that you drop out of the mvp rankings if you leave the conference.
Originally posted by Guppy, Inc
nope. tested out that theory a few times. but also not what I was talking about. I literally have seen STMVPs that didnt play a single play on ST. i've even sent them into support. a few seasons ago, a player won who wasn't even in the league during the regular season, that means there is some wacky random selection. also saw a mvp that wasnt in the league after game 16. one of the mvp criteria that I knew as a fact is that you drop out of the mvp rankings if you leave the conference.
Well, any way you strike it, it's for sure broken and has been for a long time.
nope. tested out that theory a few times. but also not what I was talking about. I literally have seen STMVPs that didnt play a single play on ST. i've even sent them into support. a few seasons ago, a player won who wasn't even in the league during the regular season, that means there is some wacky random selection. also saw a mvp that wasnt in the league after game 16. one of the mvp criteria that I knew as a fact is that you drop out of the mvp rankings if you leave the conference.
Well, any way you strike it, it's for sure broken and has been for a long time.
wipe the slate clean and lets start over!!!!!
Not that I have a dot that would be on it
Not that I have a dot that would be on it
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Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
Great idea... only one problem. GLB never even got Special Teams stats right the 1st time and never fixed it despite cries and pleas from plenty of people. Sooooo... not holdin my breath on this one.
yeah and there are many other things that actually affect the gameplay which would need to be addressed first...
Great idea... only one problem. GLB never even got Special Teams stats right the 1st time and never fixed it despite cries and pleas from plenty of people.
Sooooo... not holdin my breath on this one. yeah and there are many other things that actually affect the gameplay which would need to be addressed first...
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Originally posted by Guppy, Inc
... by large margins (not KR yards) and came in SIXTH for MVP. the reason being that I couldnt name any real life returners that normally played FB.
you should have mentioned Jim Brown, who averaged nearly 25 yards a kick return from the FB position
(he's only the greatest player in NFL history)
Jim Taylor of the Packers, another of the greatest FBs of all time also returned kicks
Barry Foster of the Arkansas Razorbacks and Pittsburgh Steelers was a top KR before his career ended due to injuries
Buddy Young was one of the best returnmen in NFL history who played in the 50's. He was a FB
...and don't forget the best KR in NFL history was a QB (Josh Cribbs)
Not only do I agree w/ you that position shouldn't matter for this, I'm shocked and appalled that it does
... by large margins (not KR yards) and came in SIXTH for MVP. the reason being that I couldnt name any real life returners that normally played FB.
you should have mentioned Jim Brown, who averaged nearly 25 yards a kick return from the FB position
(he's only the greatest player in NFL history)
Jim Taylor of the Packers, another of the greatest FBs of all time also returned kicks
Barry Foster of the Arkansas Razorbacks and Pittsburgh Steelers was a top KR before his career ended due to injuries
Buddy Young was one of the best returnmen in NFL history who played in the 50's. He was a FB
...and don't forget the best KR in NFL history was a QB (Josh Cribbs)
Not only do I agree w/ you that position shouldn't matter for this, I'm shocked and appalled that it does
Originally posted by darncat
yeah and there are many other things that actually affect the gameplay which would need to be addressed first...
How about accurate stats period? Not just Special teams. Consider;
LB A.) gets tagged with 3 passes defended and 6 receptions allowed even though he receives absolutely NO targets at all.
LB B.) meanwhile, gets 10 targets with no receptions allowed and no passes defended yet upon reviewing his plays only 3 of those passes were anywhere within 5 yards of the dot, and of all 10 'suspected' targets 4 were completions.
If playing man 2 man coverage and your assigned receiver is thrown to, that's a target. If playing zone then the only 'targets' should be passes you can actually legitimately get to. I'm sorry but if you're 10 yards away covering a different dot in your 'zone' then that's not a target. IMO.
It's just a piece of how the stats never truely add up correctly and, likely, why some dots that shouldn't receive top MVP billing when, perhaps, 1/3rd of their stats are 'ghost' stats.
What good is a HOF based on stats when you can't trust the stats?
yeah and there are many other things that actually affect the gameplay which would need to be addressed first...
How about accurate stats period? Not just Special teams. Consider;
LB A.) gets tagged with 3 passes defended and 6 receptions allowed even though he receives absolutely NO targets at all.
LB B.) meanwhile, gets 10 targets with no receptions allowed and no passes defended yet upon reviewing his plays only 3 of those passes were anywhere within 5 yards of the dot, and of all 10 'suspected' targets 4 were completions.
If playing man 2 man coverage and your assigned receiver is thrown to, that's a target. If playing zone then the only 'targets' should be passes you can actually legitimately get to. I'm sorry but if you're 10 yards away covering a different dot in your 'zone' then that's not a target. IMO.
It's just a piece of how the stats never truely add up correctly and, likely, why some dots that shouldn't receive top MVP billing when, perhaps, 1/3rd of their stats are 'ghost' stats.
What good is a HOF based on stats when you can't trust the stats?
Edited by Theo Wizzago on Aug 16, 2019 22:57:50
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Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
How about accurate stats period? Not just Special teams. Consider;
LB A.) gets tagged with 3 passes defended and 6 receptions allowed even though he receives absolutely NO targets at all.
LB B.) meanwhile, gets 10 targets with no receptions allowed and no passes defended yet upon reviewing his plays only 3 of those passes were anywhere within 5 yards of the dot, and of all 10 'suspected' targets 4 were completions.
If playing man 2 man coverage and your assigned receiver is thrown to, that's a target. If playing zone then the only 'targets' should be passes you can actually legitimately get to. I'm sorry but if you're 10 yards away covering a different dot in your 'zone' then that's not a target. IMO.
It's just a piece of how the stats never truely add up correctly and, likely, why some dots that shouldn't receive top MVP billing when, perhaps, 1/3rd of their stats are 'ghost' stats.
What good is a HOF based on stats when you can't trust the stats?
those issues would take major coding since bort never figured it out after many attempts. wiping the HOF or creating a new one for WL only should be very simple.
How about accurate stats period? Not just Special teams. Consider;
LB A.) gets tagged with 3 passes defended and 6 receptions allowed even though he receives absolutely NO targets at all.
LB B.) meanwhile, gets 10 targets with no receptions allowed and no passes defended yet upon reviewing his plays only 3 of those passes were anywhere within 5 yards of the dot, and of all 10 'suspected' targets 4 were completions.
If playing man 2 man coverage and your assigned receiver is thrown to, that's a target. If playing zone then the only 'targets' should be passes you can actually legitimately get to. I'm sorry but if you're 10 yards away covering a different dot in your 'zone' then that's not a target. IMO.
It's just a piece of how the stats never truely add up correctly and, likely, why some dots that shouldn't receive top MVP billing when, perhaps, 1/3rd of their stats are 'ghost' stats.
What good is a HOF based on stats when you can't trust the stats?
those issues would take major coding since bort never figured it out after many attempts. wiping the HOF or creating a new one for WL only should be very simple.
Originally posted by Guppy, Inc
those issues would take major coding since bort never figured it out after many attempts. wiping the HOF or creating a new one for WL only should be very simple.
At least have 2 HOF's maybe. BETA and Post BETA. Some of those early dots had serious advantages with the holes in the building process that got fixed and changed over time. That would be a doable thing I suppose. I've given up on any stat fixes.
those issues would take major coding since bort never figured it out after many attempts. wiping the HOF or creating a new one for WL only should be very simple.
At least have 2 HOF's maybe. BETA and Post BETA. Some of those early dots had serious advantages with the holes in the building process that got fixed and changed over time. That would be a doable thing I suppose. I've given up on any stat fixes.
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