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Originally posted by jdbolick

Actually someone in the DC forum did a study back in the day using the speed script and showed that JTS gives a significant benefit to the frequency of getting a jump on the snap even with 70+ vision.

O really, smh I had a guy that did the same thing and said it didnt lol

the +2 agility also gives a solid boost imo

No love to Never Give Up?

Originally posted by jdbolick

anything evar said

I'll bet you can't accomplish anything without doing so under false pretenses. Liar Liar pants on fire

-WJ

Originally posted by Wolfpack Justice
I'll bet you can't accomplish anything without doing so under false pretenses. Liar Liar pants on fire

-WJ
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4903862&page=1#45407305
You bet, you lost, you welched.

Originally posted by jdbolick

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4903862&page=1#45407305
You bet, you lost, you welched.

And ofc, that's how you validate an argument about LB VA's.

Classic bolick

I have a higher SAT score than anybody in this thread. (or equal)

I still know nothing about appropriate blitz LB VAs.

Originally posted by
Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 68.93
Speed: 157.47 (+55)
Agility: 94.47
Jumping: 31.47
Stamina: 61.93
Vision: 68.93
Confidence: 42.93

Football Skills
Blocking: 8
Catching: 8
Tackling: 80.47
Throwing: 8
Carrying: 8
Kicking: 8
Punting: 8

Special Abilities
Hard Hitter Abilities
Snarl: 0
Aura of Intimidation: 0
Diving Tackle: 0
Monster Hit: 0
Defense General: 0

Pass Rusher Abilities
Trash Talk: 1
The Glare: 1
Shed Blocks: 1
Swat Ball: 1
Big Sack: 1

Additional Abilities
Head of Steam: 10
Tunnel Vision: 9
First Step: 10
Veteran Abilities
Quick: 15
Track Star: 15
Fearsome: 7
Overtime Killer: 1
Pass Rusher: 15
Sure Tackler: 15

Current Bonuses/Penalties
Speed: +4.61
Agility: +4.25
Make tackle chance: +22.5%

What do? Apparently no one is suggesting the +attribute VAs so are they useless?

you need big sack sa and ff% and power tackler and jump the snap

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1911788

Originally posted by jdbolick

Actually someone in the DC forum did a study back in the day using the speed script and showed that JTS gives a significant benefit to the frequency of getting a jump on the snap even with 70+ vision.

No, JD, no it didn't. The study proved that at 74 vision the difference was extremely small with or without JTS. You are misrepresenting facts. They got off the snap in average at almost the same tick.

Originally posted by Hagalaz
No, JD, no it didn't. The study proved that at 74 vision the difference was extremely small with or without JTS. You are misrepresenting facts. They got off the snap in average at almost the same tick.
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Originally posted by Hagalaz
Originally posted by jdbolick


Actually someone in the DC forum did a study back in the day using the speed script and showed that JTS gives a significant benefit to the frequency of getting a jump on the snap even with 70+ vision.

No, JD, no it didn't. The study proved that at 74 vision the difference was extremely small with or without JTS. You are misrepresenting facts. They got off the snap in average at almost the same tick.

Originally posted by jdbolick

The data might be outdated, but as of the last time this was documented 15 in Jump the Snap with ~70 vision meant reacting 0.46 ticks faster, which was about the same amount as going from ~55 vision to ~70 vision. So yes, even at ~70 vision, adding 15 in Jump the Snap makes a very significant difference. If the dot has First Step then the earlier reaction means even more, since getting up to speed as quickly after the snap as possible obviously gives less time for the blockers to get in position.


(Posting on behalf of JD, but that was the last documented info I know of too, might be outdated though.)

The test also tested at 74 vision, which shows it reacting 0.3 ticks faster. If that is a "huge" difference, then I guess we'll just have to disagree on what is huge. I will not spend 15 VAs and a possible penalty just to go from 1.7 to 1.4. Others might. I however don't see how someone can claim such a difference to be huge.

However, it IS outdated as one of the changelog notes since then stated that the vision check would be harder to pass at the snap.

regardless, I wouldn't put a dot at blitzer on a wl defense without jts...

Originally posted by Hagalaz
No, JD, no it didn't. The study proved that at 74 vision the difference was extremely small with or without JTS. You are misrepresenting facts. They got off the snap in average at almost the same tick.

Don't worry. bolick misrepresents data and facts all the time in order to try and prove his argument.

Originally posted by Hagalaz
The test also tested at 74 vision, which shows it reacting 0.3 ticks faster. If that is a "huge" difference, then I guess we'll just have to disagree on what is huge. I will not spend 15 VAs and a possible penalty just to go from 1.7 to 1.4. Others might. I however don't see how someone can claim such a difference to be huge.
I told you via PM that you need to go back and check that you're remembering things correctly because if you're talking about timthorn's data then you definitely are not. There was no .3 tick difference for any of them. The difference between 70+ vision with 0 JtS and 70+ vision with 15 JtS was 0.46 ticks faster on the latter. If you don't believe that's much, fair enough, but it's almost excatly the same difference that going from ~55 to 70 vision will get you. So if you don't care about that extra half tick and you're building a guy who only rushes the passer, then you might as well never take vision past the first cap.

Originally posted by
However, it IS outdated as one of the changelog notes since then stated that the vision check would be harder to pass at the snap.
Yo ... uhm ... that would make Jump the Snap more valuable now.


Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
Don't worry. bolick misrepresents data and facts all the time in order to try and prove his argument.
Don't troll this thread because you're pissed about me proving you wrong in other threads. I don't misrepresent data at all because I have no particular agenda, I just want to know more about the sim and then share any knowledge I find with everyone else.