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Here's my first fumble. It doesn't seem to squirt out as far as the one you're describing, but... it does look like a similar situation. I would suspect that with this kind of a cluster, that whoever got the ball would be down by contact as well, but that's another story...

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1826590&pbp_id=10561380

There is also a statistical issue here, too. It's fairly easy to see since my receiver only had one catch. I'm not sure the right way to credit this - but I'm sure this isn't right....
See Game #19
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player_game_log.pl?player_id=2459318&season=24&stat_type=raw

It says he has zero yards catching and -15.5 YAC.

(Numbers in here are approximate) Okay. So he catches the ball approximately 20 yards downfield and then runs another 5 before the fumble. After the bug from this thread, the other team grabs the ball and runs it back about 7 yards before being tackled. This puts the ball just about where it was originally caught and 20 yards from the original LOS.

I think it should be scored as a 25 yard reception with a fumble and no negative YACs. But even if you are scoring YACs as negative numbers -15.5 doesn't work out. It's -5 (or -7 or whatever) from the point of fumble. It's zero from the point of catch and it's plus 20 from the LOS. No matter how you count it - it ain't -15 YACs. So however it's being figured - it's not being figured and scored correctly.

Actually that play isn't similar to the issue at hand. What happened in your fumble play is the ball stayed within the pile, and was recovered by the CB Quick Shank. Since everyone in the pile was on the ground, and the WR was blocked by the FS, no one could make the tackle before he got back up and started heading down field.

The suggestion is for fumbles when the ball leaves the pile and no one is able to recover it except either the initial fumbler (which would have been your WR) or someone who was pancaked/down on the ground before the ball was fumbled but gets up before the fumbler does.

I agree the YAC shouldn't have given you a negative YAC but that's a separate suggestion/bug from what this was referring to. I would guess that the 15 came from combining your WR's YAC (about 7-8 yards) with the fumble recovery distance (7 yards) and came up with -15.5 somehow. I'd suggest putting your post into the bug forum to see if there is a confirmable error that can be verified happening elsewhere.

Cool. Thanks on the YAC bit - that was an afterthought anyway. I did put that in the bug pile too.

I still think this play is an example of the same situation. You'll notice my guy hits the ground (dot gets small) and, though it's hard to see, no one touches or can actually pick up the ball until he stands up and fails his recovery - at which point an opponent gets it. I could be wrong - but he's tiny (and behind those other dots, sadly) but he's up and moving again at the same moment the ball gets picked up. If it's not - that's cool. Just figured I'd offer it up.

If you watch it in flash and highlight your WR (the one who fumbled, zippy) you will see that he does not stand up before the ball is moving. The CB just got up faster than anyone else in the pile and managed to get moving before he could get tackled. I'm not sure if you can do the same in the 20fps/replay rewrite view of the game. It just makes it easier to see in flash because your player stays on top of the pile so you can see when he's up vs when the CB/ball begins moving.

I'll keep an eye out for other int fumbles giving the wrong distance for YAC. Most people probably don't notice it since it's rare to have just 1 play for YAC distance to look wrong.

I'll try to find more of yours also. I only have four players, but will make a point of looking at any fumbles and if it's away from the pile and looks like it's the right scenario, I'll send it your way. Sorry for the false alarm on this one.

This really needs to get revisited by Catch and Bort, especially the ones where the D players walk up to the ball and then stop. There's a BUG there somewhere.

It doesn't always happen; we see plenty of fumbles where the ball squirts around and is picked up by a random player:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1805462&pbp_id=5737781
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1793126&pbp_id=4054959


But something is going on.

So, +1 this suggestion if that's what it takes to get Bort to revisit it. (it's not, of course.)

6 day bump

2+ week bump.

+1+1= fix.

Haven't bumped this in a while Bump

ummm this might be a bug...

let me pass it on to see what catch thinks

Originally posted by CDZYO
I think the implication of what the OP is suggesting is being lost with the list of links, because you have to click to see what's happening, and that's just too much work. So, in the interest of spurring support, I shall attempt to describe just one of the links, as follows:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1769422&pbp_id=10711336

This is a FB screen weak out of the goalline formation. The FB makes the catch, but is then engaged by a free safety in the backfield. The FS forces the FB to fumble the ball, and the ball proceeds to bounce downfield, probably nine yards... ten if you want to be generous with the spot. At this point, all 22 dots appear to converge at the point of the fumble, away from where the ball has landed. After a few ticks, two CBs break away from the schmozz and head toward the fumbled ball. Upon reaching the ball, one asks the other if he has a lighter. The other confirms that he has a lighter, at which point the two share a smoke break, lasting about twenty ticks or so. Meanwhile, the HB, who had been performing his best soccer dive yet that game, realized that the schmozz had turned into a bizarre Roman-Greco orgy and he had been left with neither partner nor entry point. The HB then notices the smoke signals coming from the two CBs and immediately makes a beeline toward them, perhaps in pursuit of companionship. Upon reaching the CBs, he sees the football on the ground and picks it up as a memento of what must be the oddest circumstance of his professional life, something he can show the grandkids as he eases into retirement. It is at this point that the CBs use the HB as Chinese fingercuffs.

Anyway, while I'm sure this is Working As Intended, it doesn't make for good football outside of a hack screenwriter's fevered imagination. So, +1 to the OP.

looks like kick return logic when they wait for the returner to touch the ball lol

Originally posted by Catch22
probably a bug - I didn't look at it in depth. Have him post all that data/links in Bugs and let the Bugs Mods look it over. If they think it's an issue, I'll take another look at it.

locking, please report OP in bugs forum

thanks