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......with so many great teams I've followed from afar since I acquired my team in season 9. But I feel I have to put a response to a team owner here that I put in the Casual addicts tourney thread about my team having CPU players.


I've been a team owner since season 9 and have pretty much been a one man operation since day 1. I don't have hundreds of players created and am not part of a network of teams and agents where recruiting is made a lot easier. And after a bunch of seasons hanging in the middle of the pack I actually was able to get a great team together last year to go undefeated and lose in the championship game to Bristol. But a lot of my players were older so I had to replace over half of my team.

So I figured hey I have a great core of players and always tried to keep my team competitive (unlike a lot of teams on the way up who tanked years). So I started recruiting for this year about day 25 last season I thought this year might not be so hard to fill the team. And yet time and time again players would join 2-14 EEPL teams, 8-8 AAA teams, and even some AA teams. And these were players in their prime. And I realize a lot of players won't play for a casual team but it still is discouraging. Especially the time I spend on here recruiting.

So I will never be ashamed of having CPU players on my team, and am happy that they made them competitive. And even though I don't spend the money on this game that agents with many many players do, I still have been a long time loyal customer through all the different highs and lows and changes of GLB. And I am happy that the agents that I am so fortunate to have on my team (some who have stayed through mostly thin times), have a chance to not lose every game by 100 points.

Thanks


So in conclusion I am so proud of my team and guys rising though the ranks to make it to Pro. Especially because I feel the great teams here are not just the elite of Casual but the elite in all of GLB.

Also thanks go to one of my GM's badnewz40 who has helped me try to recruit in the extra time he has to log in. My first helper ever

True.
This offseason I sent ton of contract to Lv48~60 players, and most of them go to A, AA, AAA team......
I got "XXXX has rejected your contract offer" alert everyday......

Brother, I know others may not feel the same. But in my mind. This game has changed so frequently that many agents and players have quit. I had a decent sized group of agents in the beginning, but I have less than half that amount now. If our small group had not planned for the long haul and started building players for our team way back, I would have had to recruit heavily every season and would not have had a chance for the success we have now! (We all know how incredibly hard it is to recruit for Casual and if you are not part of some organization with a group of agents with many players to contribute or have spent thousands of dollars to build a team yourself, it is almost impossible to keep a good team for long!) Another major factor is that we adapted to the game as it evolved. Yes it was frequently with great protest and reluctance (hell I sold my regular team when I found out about the changes coming in season 16, We had played up to the pros at the time)., but I decided in this leagues format, I can deal with the changes and still enjoy the game!

SO the game has had many changes. Many of them hurting the plans and thought process we had developed along the way. I applaud you for adapting to these changes so that you can keep your team together and competitive. It wasn't you who made the changes. It was GLB! You adapted to them as you should. NOBODY should judge against you on that. If they do not like it, they should do their best to get GLB to change it or leave the game themselves! But you and your team have every right to have the success it does!


About CPU, I saw somewhere that Snick had posted a Catch22 post. IT was something about CPU players being less effective based on how many CPU players were on a team. I think that would be a great way to make this work. Better CPU players help a lot in the battle of recruiting to fill in a few holes and keep the agents that have committed to a team rewarded for their loyalty and not penalized for not being a part of some large organization. But a team like the Misfits should not have a dominant ability in this game AT ANY LEVEL! Again, imho, if they adapt that proposal of Catch22, that would correct the problem!

Originally posted by jimbcnu
About CPU, I saw somewhere that Snick had posted a Catch22 post. IT was something about CPU players being less effective based on how many CPU players were on a team. I think that would be a great way to make this work. Better CPU players help a lot in the battle of recruiting to fill in a few holes and keep the agents that have committed to a team rewarded for their loyalty and not penalized for not being a part of some large organization. But a team like the Misfits should not have a dominant ability in this game AT ANY LEVEL! Again, imho, if they adapt that proposal of Catch22, that would correct the problem!

Jim I couldn't agree more with this. I don't understand why a human owned team would have all CPU players, why is that fun?? And isn't this supposed to be a GAME to have fun with. But for me to have to play a season with only 3 really serviceable OL that's just not fair. I probably had at least 50 JUST OL reject me this offseason. And also a position like WR which has a lot more available players, I can't even get a full 5 human players for. It just kind of bothers me that a team like mine would be looked down upon because I have CPU's in my roster holes. When in all likelihood the people that say those things probably haven't had to recruit like an independent like myself in a very long time.

I actually had a 53 man roster committed by the playoffs last season, but one of the agents(who committed 5 dots) went inactive which hurt a lot. Now I also have a couple of cpus to help with depth, plus our team is horribly under leveled. It seems we overachieved in AAA last season.

I've felt those recruiting nitemares for a VERY long time, hell i even had to make my very first recruiting ad in the offseason that we were 3 straight championships and a 60 game win streak. That season it took me til almost day 25 to finish my vision of the perfect roster to go another 20-0. Gman especially knows very well in confidence that 5+ seasons ago i was 1 click away from going CPU because of all the f'in rejections. I was also fortunate to be an official Addict for a while, and it helped filled some roster spots but that didn't last season after season and i am no longer apart of the Addicts for many seasons now.

That being said, finding and being accepted into different factions, networks or "families" can be difficult but is so rewarding at the same time. Other then recruiting aids, making GLB friends from these relationships is actually ALOT more rewarding long term to me.

I know this may sound very negative, but CPU players in the "pinnacle" of the Casual League is quite disrespectful in my mind. Thats just me. You said how hard you worked to get here and how long it took too, but filling depth with non human owned players is not going to fly very well when the rest of us could possibly lose to half human rosters when ALL OF US go through the EXACT same recruiting headaches to compete here every season like you had. Some of us might be better then others at reeling in a stud horse or too, but that has alot to do with how you PM, what you have to offer, and any other intangible that makes each one of you a unique agent.

So, call me negative nancy, but i don't see 1 single reason why a human owned team should have ANY CPU's in our beloved Pro Casual league. AAA, sure, AA, sure, capped, sure, CPU owned team, sure, thats it though, sorry.

Heres an example of a team that had to recruit using a "different" approach: http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=8487

Its outstanding that this owner can fill a team that would probably not even be in a AA final. But you know what, he put together his Geriatrics that are WAAAAy past their prime and have stayed in Pro many seasons because of it. He won't ever be in the Pro finals or even semi's but he did it to stay in Pro and to have fun in the forums and hell, we will always have that team to make fun of because of the "old man" squad!

Originally posted by The Avenger
I've felt those recruiting nitemares for a VERY long time, hell i even had to make my very first recruiting ad in the offseason that we were 3 straight championships and a 60 game win streak. That season it took me til almost day 25 to finish my vision of the perfect roster to go another 20-0. Gman especially knows very well in confidence that 5+ seasons ago i was 1 click away from going CPU because of all the f'in rejections. I was also fortunate to be an official Addict for a while, and it helped filled some roster spots but that didn't last season after season and i am no longer apart of the Addicts for many seasons now.

That being said, finding and being accepted into different factions, networks or "families" can be difficult but is so rewarding at the same time. Other then recruiting aids, making GLB friends from these relationships is actually ALOT more rewarding long term to me.

I know this may sound very negative, but CPU players in the "pinnacle" of the Casual League is quite disrespectful in my mind. Thats just me. You said how hard you worked to get here and how long it took too, but filling depth with non human owned players is not going to fly very well when the rest of us could possibly lose to half human rosters when ALL OF US go through the EXACT same recruiting headaches to compete here every season like you had. Some of us might be better then others at reeling in a stud horse or too, but that has alot to do with how you PM, what you have to offer, and any other intangible that makes each one of you a unique agent.

So, call me negative nancy, but i don't see 1 single reason why a human owned team should have ANY CPU's in our beloved Pro Casual league. AAA, sure, AA, sure, capped, sure, CPU owned team, sure, thats it though, sorry.

Well I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. And I'm not sure why you felt the need to post the thread link to PLFT like I've never seen it before. Just kind of comes off as rude.

But I guess teams like yours like to beat teams like mine (if I wasn't able to have the new CPU players) by 100 points or so. And you'll still probably do it anyway.

stud horse here to chime in -


I woudn't sweat it man - I would rather have a close defeat to a team supplemented by some CPUs than beating up on half the teams here by 100 pts or more week in and week out. There's little honor in placing a bunch of lvl 48 nonboosting real players on a Pro team to fill your roster imo.

Originally posted by ianthepeon
Well I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. And I'm not sure why you felt the need to post the thread link to PLFT like I've never seen it before. Just kind of comes off as rude.

But I guess teams like yours like to beat teams like mine (if I wasn't able to have the new CPU players) by 100 points or so. And you'll still probably do it anyway.



I wouldn't be able to do 100 point win, and ask the Fuggers if 11 CPU players owning the boxscore over a team team full of level 60+ players is working as intended?

"okay "Negative Nancy", I can respect your position, but I personally think it is rather an elitist attitude to say there should be no CPU players in this league. You yourself stated that you were lucky to make some of the connections that you have. REALISTICALLY, there is no way, we are going to have some teams in this league NOT have CPU players with recruiting for this league as it is! The way I see it is, the only other option is to have more teams go CPU themselves because it is never fun to lose every game just because they cannot recruit enough players in ONE, TWO or THREE positions??? Every other player may be very good. But as you know, if you cannot recruit any guards or tackles. You are done, over. You will get beat by any team that is decent. That team will lose all of it's agents and that team will go CPU. Okay let's just promote a lower level team. That would much more often than not have the same effect with many losses and teams going CPU.

SO reward owners who have worked their way up. ianthepeon's team was a very good team last season. Many of his older players just missed the extended plateau deal and he had some big holes to fill. Recruiting made that impossible. In the future, players will be able to stay much longer and there will not be as many teams that will have those problems.

Btw, I recruited 5 cpu players myself. WHY NOT? In fact i thought it would be stupid not to take advantage of the lack of falloff in these new cpu players and give my team depth. (They are all on Special Teams)I think it is almost foolish not to. IT IS NOW PART OF THE GAME! if that changes, I will cut them!

One last thing, while I have on some occasions had polar opinions to your thoughts, "Negative Nancy" I appreciate that you do express your opinions. You have also helped me in some of my questions I have had over time and that is greatly appreciated. You obviously have a lot of intelligence and whether I agree with you or not, your opinions inspire thought and discussion. There is nothing but good that can from that!

HEY, how about instead of calling you "Negative Nancy" how's "Nancy" for short??!!

Diablow Nancy Dots??

I think Avenger's point would be this...

On the surface, I'm sure he has no problem with a team that needs to supplement his team with a few CPU dots. But this season they're not just CPU dots. In many cases they're better than the average human level 65 dot. While that may be good for your team, it's not really fair to those who weren't as choosy as S17 approached in filling those last few holes on their roster. Had they know they'd get far superior dots by just filling the holes with CPU dots they would have.

At first, CPU dots were supposed to be improved, but still lol worthy. Then pre-season rolled around and it turned out they were actual garbage still. So Catch buffed em and they became super dots... which he claimed was the way he intended... but bowed to the pressure of the masses of teams getting waxed by CPU teams and agreed to tone them down. He did... but only slightly and they're still overpowered.

When CPU dots are the stars of the team on a team full of mostly human players, GLB has a problem.

There SHOULD be some sort of penalty for not being able to fill your team with human players. Call it elitist or whatever, but it's the way it should be. CPU dots should be "serviceable" replacements for human dots when in a pinch for players... they should be a little weaker than a human dot... not a ton... but enough where they aren't game changers... or in most cases this season where CPU dots seem to be game WINNERS.

And this isn't meant to be disparaging any owner with CPU dots on his roster... except keith and his Misfits... because he flat out didn't even bother and THAT is offensive. He should have demoted and let someone like Rotterdam (who probably should have been up here anyway) have the slot. I have no problem with owners who need to fill a few holes with CPU players... but it's going to get to the point where instead of using them as a last resort, they become preferred over an average dot... and that is bad bad bad for GLB's future.