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One thing I've always questioned is the idea that attributes should be pushed beyond 100

As per Bort, the returns on attributes over 100 are linear, but the effect of moving speed from 100 to 101 is less than moving agility from 73 to 74

So my question is, in all your experience, is it still smart to aim for 1 maybe 2 ridiculous 120+ attributes or stick with more around the 95+ mark

On top of that, I also know that the improvement of SAs become less and less effective the higher above 10 they are pushed

Therefore is it smart/worth it with AEQ to push an SA all the way to say 16 (AEQ plus Custom EQ) or save SPs and take it from a natural base of 4 to 10 and spend your SPs elsewhere

Discuss

Depends on position, attribute, and SA. There is no single answer.

Originally posted by Mount Vernon
Depends on position, attribute, and SA. There is no single answer.

sort of how I was thinking after I posted

O-linemen and K/Ps can basically beef up to such levels and a LOT could do with 16 in protect

whereas an LB could do without 110 speed if he only has 68 base vision

I kind of think this is correct... atleast in the lower levels like 30 - 45.
My WR is about 110 speed and my teammates is 100 and I don't see that much difference between us.

bort is also planning to increase the importance of secondary/tertiary attributes which will likely make relatively balanced players more effective...

Originally posted by tetura
bort is also planning to increase the importance of secondary/tertiary attributes which will likely make relatively balanced players more effective...

A Balance Build is also un-Bortable. If anything, the importance of the Speed Att will decrease IMO and the other Atts will increase.

If you have a 95 speed LB trying to cover a 120 speed scat back with maxed out scat back VA, then you will realize why it is important to have over 110 speed on your LB


I have a level 55 FB that already has 115 speed and 87 agility and has scat back maxed. Just adding equipment would put him at 125 (I'm still short 2 level 48 AEQ upgrades), but I'm going to chose scat back archetype and I'm going to add more sp to speed and train speed over a couple of times.

He will be at least 130 speed at level 64, and 135 speed at level 72 with FS AEQ and I'm chosing the RR SA when I pick the archetype. With scatback VA he will be running routes with 148 speed, 102 agility, with FS and RR SA bonuses.


So you tell me. How much speed do you need on a LB?

i have never had problems with lb's in the 100-105 speed range in the past covering hb's man though with better builds starting to make their way into AAA and the Pro's now, i agree it is something i need to reconsider.

though, i have a level 56 lb with an eq split between speed and agility with +5 in vision (freebies from custom). i like how he can cover with 97 speed, 91 agility, 76 vision without his 56 upgrades yet. while i plan on putting his 56 and 64 into speed, i think his high vision and agility will allow him to read the play, accelerate / cut very well to keep with these guys

Originally posted by therunner24
i have never had problems with lb's in the 100-105 speed range in the past covering hb's man though with better builds starting to make their way into AAA and the Pro's now, i agree it is something i need to reconsider.

though, i have a level 56 lb with an eq split between speed and agility with +5 in vision (freebies from custom). i like how he can cover with 97 speed, 91 agility, 76 vision without his 56 upgrades yet. while i plan on putting his 56 and 64 into speed, i think his high vision and agility will allow him to read the play, accelerate / cut very well to keep with these guys

have you tried to find SV AEQ? I love it.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1191420

he's missing 1 upgrade, but I will have BTs for that by end of season so he will have 5 SV

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
Originally posted by therunner24

i have never had problems with lb's in the 100-105 speed range in the past covering hb's man though with better builds starting to make their way into AAA and the Pro's now, i agree it is something i need to reconsider.

though, i have a level 56 lb with an eq split between speed and agility with +5 in vision (freebies from custom). i like how he can cover with 97 speed, 91 agility, 76 vision without his 56 upgrades yet. while i plan on putting his 56 and 64 into speed, i think his high vision and agility will allow him to read the play, accelerate / cut very well to keep with these guys

have you tried to find SV AEQ? I love it.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1191420

he's missing 1 upgrade, but I will have BTs for that by end of season so he will have 5 SV

not on the guy i'm referring to, but i am relooking for better AEQ. like the +2 / +3 vision, but not a fan of having 2 pieces with closing speed. am a huge fan of SV for a LB

my first lb, who is now an old level 71 guy, has shutdown coverage and superior vision. at his peak, it was impossible for a te or hb to get open against him

I don't think attributes should ever be pointed with SP past 68. Let natural level ups and equipments fill in those 69-100 points. 1 attribute at 5 SP won't yield the same results as 5 attributes for 5 SP. Especially when you consider that things like greater speed require greater vision and catching to make catches. It is a losing battle, you take one thing to an extreme, it throws everything else off balance, then you don't have enough points to level out the other areas. Rather than beating the opponent in 1 area with a super high attribute, beat them in 4-5 slightly higher attributes, that ensures your success against a diversity of opponents.

Originally posted by Mob-6
I don't think attributes should ever be pointed with SP past 68. Let natural level ups and equipments fill in those 69-100 points. 1 attribute at 5 SP won't yield the same results as 5 attributes for 5 SP. Especially when you consider that things like greater speed require greater vision and catching to make catches. It is a losing battle, you take one thing to an extreme, it throws everything else off balance, then you don't have enough points to level out the other areas. Rather than beating the opponent in 1 area with a super high attribute, beat them in 4-5 slightly higher attributes, that ensures your success against a diversity of opponents.

You build a lot of WR's dude.
What have you learned are the most important key's to WR success? (besides SSB, lol )

Originally posted by Mob-6
I don't think attributes should ever be pointed with SP past 68. Let natural level ups and equipments fill in those 69-100 points. 1 attribute at 5 SP won't yield the same results as 5 attributes for 5 SP. Especially when you consider that things like greater speed require greater vision and catching to make catches. It is a losing battle, you take one thing to an extreme, it throws everything else off balance, then you don't have enough points to level out the other areas. Rather than beating the opponent in 1 area with a super high attribute, beat them in 4-5 slightly higher attributes, that ensures your success against a diversity of opponents.

Lol?

Originally posted by MIA99
Lol?

No lol, seriously, try it.

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
If you have a 95 speed LB trying to cover a 120 speed scat back with maxed out scat back VA, then you will realize why it is important to have over 110 speed on your LB


I have a level 55 FB that already has 115 speed and 87 agility and has scat back maxed. Just adding equipment would put him at 125 (I'm still short 2 level 48 AEQ upgrades), but I'm going to chose scat back archetype and I'm going to add more sp to speed and train speed over a couple of times.

He will be at least 130 speed at level 64, and 135 speed at level 72 with FS AEQ and I'm chosing the RR SA when I pick the archetype. With scatback VA he will be running routes with 148 speed, 102 agility, with FS and RR SA bonuses.


So you tell me. How much speed do you need on a LB?

You might be surprised actually. MPHD has never had a LB with 110+ speed, except for a dedicated blitzer.