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Originally posted by MrMoose
It's called being in a conference with more than one really good team.

That's every conference. Take a look. All of them have more than just one really good team. Unless they're a brand new conference, and even them most of them have 2-3 pretty good teams.

Originally posted by
I know, its a surprise when you aren't used to having a good team and all, but there are some divisions with more than one solid team. For someone trying to tell people to do research you certainly don't do any...I'm a member of two teams, the G.B.R. Sharks, a gutted team I took over after the halfway point of last season--that didn't have a single win, and no talent on the roster, and kept them from relegation--and the Canberra Strike. You may have heard of them...they're the Oceania Pro Champions...so yeah..guess I'm not used to being on a good team...

What a fucking moron.

Originally posted by
We simply got beat by a team that was on our level.

No, you simply got beat. Period.


Originally posted by
However, we do know for a fact that we'd be very competitive, and be able to give every team up here a run for their money. Really? ...and how exactly do you "know this for a fact"? Seems like your slightly biased opinion to me...

Originally posted by
Oh, and a general reply... Most of our team wanted to be in the Pros this year, and we were potentially going to switch with the Kiribati Blitz had they not decided to stick in the Pro league. So don't worry, we'll be up here and be taking on people that managed to jump on a pro team while others only had AA available to buy when they bought a team. I'm amazed at how many people seem to think that lucking into a pro league spot instead of a AA one makes them hot shit.


Assuming the arrogance of your post there pans out, and you do win two straight championships, something you've been unable to do even once, so far, I would be suitably impressed. But so far, all you've managed to do is spout off a bunch of self-aggrandizing nonsense that you have never even remotely backed up.

I had the opportunity also to swap down to the lowest league in Oceania (yours, at the time) and chose not to. I'd rather try the hard route and attempt to build a team from scratch in the pros, knowing I'd get decimated week in and week out, than take the easy route, and move my team down to your league, where we'd competitive week in and week out, bowling over relegated teams until we climbed back up to where we are now.

For you to attempt to take cheap shots, saying I "lucked" into this team, etc. shows not only your total lack of knowledge of how it is to try to turn a gutted team around in the pros with nothing to start with, it also shows the obvious lack of class you have...and makes it apparent that if, someday, you ever do make it all the way up here to the Pro's, you probably won't fit in very well.

Have fun beating up on inferior teams in the minors this season because you didn't have the skill to move up like Grinnell did...

Originally posted by Ballbright
Stuff


Right, we did get beat. Nowhere did I deny that. However, you're implying that, since we lost a game (GASP! SHOCK! HORROR!) that we couldn't do well in the pros. Good teams can and do lose games when they're playing other competitive teams. Yes, Washington was better than us that game. We also beat them in the regular season. So they managed to out gameplan us in the playoffs. I didn't say here that they got lucky to beat us, but readily admit that a team on our level beat us.

Oh, and we've yet to win two championships in a row so far? WOW! Holy crap, there've been...oh wait...two seasons so far. Yes, we sucked season 1. Noone with the team would deny that. Season 2, we had a great year, and happened to lose to a team that outplayed us that game.

And you did luck into getting a team in the pros as opposed to, say, a gutted team in Oceania A or AA at the time. Nowhere did I say that you sucked because you had to try to rebuild a gutted team. However, I would say that your team, at this current point in time, would be a team that we could beat. Can that really be denied, though? No. Should that take anything away from your efforts? No.

And how do I know that we could give teams in the pro level a run for their money? I know because we've put together a great team in Samoa. We have great coordinators who all have proven success in one way or another, either through GMing, or assisting other GMs with other teams outside of Oceania. I never said we'd dominate the pros or anything, but on the basis of levels and builds alone, we could easily give htem a run for their money. Meaning, the games wouldn't end in any sort of blowout, but be close ones, more often than not.

And hey, if arrogance is believing that I own one of the best teams in Oceania, then you're damn straight that I'm arrogant. I'm proud of each and every one of the guys on my team. They're a great bunch that has done a really good job of proving that they can play.

And hey, Grinnel was a damn good team that did win it all. Saying we're nowhere near capable simply because we lost one game is truly faulty, considering we were 15-1 in the regular season. If a team has a single bad game in the playoffs, they're suddenly a bad team? I think not. Using that logic, the Patriots were a horrible team, since they lost to the Giants. Were the Giants the better team that game? Definitely. But you could definitely argue that they were not hte better team over the course of the season.


Lets hope that you can pull something similar off with the Sharks. I'd really like you all to have an equal level team when we do eventually meet up in the Pros or AAA #1, then we'll be able to have a good match.

Originally posted by lukin83
I am surprised we are as high as we are. I am ecstatic we are only 0.9 levels behind the top of the conference.

It looks like you guys may come in with one of the top defenses in the league, which should certainly help you be competitive right away.

Originally posted by ironman4579
Originally posted by lukin83

I am surprised we are as high as we are. I am ecstatic we are only 0.9 levels behind the top of the conference.

It looks like you guys may come in with one of the top defenses in the league, which should certainly help you be competitive right away.



Most of the defense is unboosted, too.

Originally posted by MrMoose
I'm a blithering idiot...Ballbright was right all along...


You seem to get all the wrong things out of my posts. Let me break it down for you.

1. You haven't won anything in the two seasons GLB has been around in this incarnation. To make the assumption that you're going to win two in a row now and come to the Pros, leapfrogging teams who beat you on the way is laughable at best. You say they're "on your level" I say they beat you, you have yet to prove you are on theirs...

2. I never said you were a bad team...go back and re-read. Please refrain from taking some kind of offense at the suggestion. You called my team bad, but I never did the same of you. So the whole "..I'm proud of each and everyone one of my guys..." nonsense is really just unnecessary, mmkay Tom Hanks?

3. Getting a gutted team in the Pros and attempting to turn it around is light years harder that getting a gutted team at a lower level, that has relegated teams already. To make the suggestion that I "lucked" out in that sense is pure delusional humor. Now if you mean "lucked out" in the sense that I'm already in the Pros, I suppose you could maybe make a case there, but it would be undermined by the fact that I face constant relegation...

4. No one said you were "nowhere near as capable"...

You seem to want to draw wild extrapolations from me merely pointing you to the facts. You came in here talking a bunch of nonsense, and I've corrected you on it at every turn. Your team, despite all its supposed "greatness" has managed to do absolutely nothing as far as advancement goes...and my team, despite your assertions about its lack of quality, despite not having a single win at more than halfway through the season when I took over, despite being gutted and not having anyone on the roster, managed to stave of relegation. So if you want to have a dick comparing contest over "oustanding Gm's" and all the other nonsense you use to try to prop up your OPINION that you could compete here, I'd put mine over yours any day...

Why don't you save the smack talk about the Pro league for when you actually arrive...

Originally posted by Ballbright

I'm a blithering idiot...Ballbright was right all along...


Well now, if that wasn't childish.

Originally posted by

1. You haven't won anything in the two seasons GLB has been around in this incarnation. To make the assumption that you're going to win two in a row now and come to the Pros, leapfrogging teams who beat you on the way is laughable at best. You say they're "on your level" I say they beat you, you have yet to prove you are on theirs...


Actually, we've won 18 games and lost 6 (not counting two scrimmage games). 4 of those losses came as we were building the team. And we DID beat them during the season, so we did prove we were on their level. Go ahead, check the game. They beat us once, we beat them once. I'd think that proves we are on their level. So no, we haven't won any championships yet. so hey, I guess you're right. Though I don't recall arguing we had, but hey!

Originally posted by

2. I never said you were a bad team...go back and re-read. Please refrain from taking some kind of offense at the suggestion. You called my team bad, but I never did the same of you. So the whole "..I'm proud of each and everyone one of my guys..." nonsense is really just unnecessary, mmkay Tom Hanks?


Actually, you're implying that we can't hang at the pro level, and saying that "if we were as good as we say we are, why didn't we get promoted", meaning you're basing the team's good/bad value on the loss of a single game, and saying we aren't as good as the team that beat us when we beat them in the regular season.

Originally posted by

3. Getting a gutted team in the Pros and attempting to turn it around is light years harder that getting a gutted team at a lower level, that has relegated teams already. To make the suggestion that I "lucked" out in that sense is pure delusional humor. Now if you mean "lucked out" in the sense that I'm already in the Pros, I suppose you could maybe make a case there, but it would be undermined by the fact that I face constant relegation...


Which was the exact point I was making. You, and others here, seem to be high on the horse about being superior simply because they're in the Pro league. You were lucky to get a team in the pro leagues, and got to be up there without having to prove yourself. That's what I was saying the whole time.

Originally posted by

4. No one said you were "nowhere near as capable"...

You seem to want to draw wild extrapolations from me merely pointing you to the facts. You came in here talking a bunch of nonsense, and I've corrected you on it at every turn. Your team, despite all its supposed "greatness" has managed to do absolutely nothing as far as advancement goes...and my team, despite your assertions about its lack of quality, despite not having a single win at more than halfway through the season when I took over, despite being gutted and not having anyone on the roster, managed to stave of relegation. So if you want to have a dick comparing contest over "oustanding Gm's" and all the other nonsense you use to try to prop up your OPINION that you could compete here, I'd put mine over yours any day...


Now this shit is laughable. Congratulations. You managed to "stave off relegation" by beating a couple of other teams. And assume that makes you better than us simply because we didn't get promoted up to AAA. It is much easier to win against a few other teams that were in the same boat as you (having been gutted) and attempting to be rebuilt than it is to beat multiple solid teams and get a 15-1 record. Yes, we beat some cupcake teams in there, I never said that. But we also beat Washington, Portland, the Inmates and others.

I can't find any of your game logs from last season to see what teams you beat, but I do find it funny that people get on us for "beating up on weaker teams" when you come out and put yourself on a higher level than us simply because you beat a couple of teams that were weaker than you and avoided relegation.

Promotion and relegation are far from the only measures of a team's quality, yet you're acting like the lack of a promotion means Samoa has no right to say anything. Now, I know you're going to say that you didn't explicitly make that statement, but it has been repeatedly implied through what you said.

Originally posted by

Why don't you save the smack talk about the Pro league for when you actually arrive...


Hey, I didn't come in with the smack talk at all, I simply pointed out that there were some competitive teams in Oceania AA #1 that could probably compete on the Pro level. You and others started with the smack talking. I'm not going to take people talking crap about my team and not respond simply because we're not in the Pro League.


And hey, you guys started the dick comparing contest up here with the average level thing. Guess it makes you unhappy when someone else comes in and mushroom stamps you on the forehead with their superior manhood.

I look forward to whooping your ass in AAA next year. As for the rest of the teams in Pro, we look forward to playing you all when we get up here

Originally posted by MrMoose

Actually, we've won 18 games and lost 6 (not counting two scrimmage games). 4 of those losses came as we were building the team. And we DID beat them during the season, so we did prove we were on their level. Go ahead, check the game. They beat us once, we beat them once. I'd think that proves we are on their level.

I guess that's the long way of saying despite your perceived talent and managerial superiority, you haven't' been able to win a championship to date...


Originally posted by MrMoose
Actually, you're implying that we can't hang at the pro level, and saying that "if we were as good as we say we are, why didn't we get promoted", meaning you're basing the team's good/bad value on the loss of a single game, and saying we aren't as good as the team that beat us when we beat them in the regular season.
No, I never implied, stated or otherwise expressed that you couldn't "hang on" again, another complete fallacy from you. I'm also NOT basing your performance off a single game, I'm basing it off your total results (which are more than the result of a single game, no matter how you try to spin it). Your total results are two seasons, 0 promotions.



Originally posted by MrMoose
Which was the exact point I was making. You, and others here, seem to be high on the horse about being superior simply because they're in the Pro league. You were lucky to get a team in the pro leagues, and got to be up there without having to prove yourself. That's what I was saying the whole time.

No one here has expressed any "superiority" other than simply putting you back in your place, when you came in here with a bunch of grandiose nonsense...



Originally posted by MrMoose
Now this shit is laughable. Congratulations. You managed to "stave off relegation" by beating a couple of other teams. And assume that makes you better than us simply because we didn't get promoted up to AAA.

Never said we were better than you. You're terrible at this buddy. Seriously, do you even read my responses, or just cherry pick the sentences you don't like and try to turn it into an argument?



Originally posted by MrMoose
Promotion and relegation are far from the only measures of a team's quality, yet you're acting like the lack of a promotion means Samoa has no right to say anything. Now, I know you're going to say that you didn't explicitly make that statement, but it has been repeatedly implied through what you said.

No, I am saying that the facts don't back up your assertions. YOU cam in here making wild claims and implying that it was a crying injustice that your clearly superior team wasn't up here mopping the floor with us.

I'm fully aware that a promotion isn't the only way to measure, unfortunately for you, it's the only way that counts...so get a promotion or two, before you come trying to talk smack to people...otherwise you're just going to continue to embarrass yourself in front of the rest of the PRO owners, and provide me amusements to type back to throughout my day, okay?








Originally posted by MrMoose
And hey, you guys started the dick comparing contest up here with the average level thing. Guess it makes you unhappy when someone else comes in and mushroom stamps you on the forehead with their superior manhood.


No, we didn't. No one came in here and "mushroom stamped" anyone. You did embarrass yourself in front of the whole of Oceania...but please do continue to post here, we're all getting a good laugh out of it. And for the record AAA actually has the highest average and median rating in Oceania according to Bort.

Originally posted by Ballbright

No, I am saying that the facts don't back up your assertions. YOU cam in here making wild claims and implying that it was a crying injustice that your clearly superior team wasn't up here mopping the floor with us.


No, I came in here and pointed out that our average levels were on par with the top teams in Oceania AA #1 and simply says "Ooh, can we play?". You're reading into things, accusing me of implying that it was a "crying injustice" that we weren't here. The only team we said we could destroy was your team which, well, we could. Note how, many times, I said I felt we could give many pro teams a run for their money. Never once did I say that, as you said, we'd be mopping the floor with you.

For someone who accuses me of cherry picking statements and putting words into someone else's mouth, you're doing an awful good job of pulling off that stunt successfully, too.

So, pot or kettle?

Originally posted by MrMoose
Originally posted by Ballbright


No, I am saying that the facts don't back up your assertions. YOU cam in here making wild claims and implying that it was a crying injustice that your clearly superior team wasn't up here mopping the floor with us.


No, I came in here and pointed out that our average levels were on par with the top teams in Oceania AA #1 and simply says "Ooh, can we play?". You're reading into things, accusing me of implying that it was a "crying injustice" that we weren't here. The only team we said we could destroy was your team which, well, we could. Note how, many times, I said I felt we could give many pro teams a run for their money. Never once did I say that, as you said, we'd be mopping the floor with you.

For someone who accuses me of cherry picking statements and putting words into someone else's mouth, you're doing an awful good job of pulling off that stunt successfully, too.

So, pot or kettle?

All I did was quote you along the way pal, but hey feel free to go back and re-read again, you'll see I'm right..

But to answer your question, I'm not sure if you're smoking pot, or if you're bashing your head against a kettle...but either way, I'd recommend stopping...

To be fair it wasn't MrMoose's posts that prompted mine so much as his cohort. MrMoose seems to be able to communicate pretty well and his initial posts were just a hey look at me we're pretty good to. Which was fine. It wasn't until:

Originally posted by Rod Long
Just one of the handful of teams in formerly Oceania A, now A#1 that would destroy you. Apologies in advance. See ya in a couple of seasons. Sooner if you get dropped. We almost got switched to pro last season, but the perfect storm fell through.

That I felt it necessary to put someone in place. The first game of the season is about to start and I'm glad we could get out last 'bored to tears' thread out of the way. Hopefully the rest of the PRO threads will be more interesting. Maybe we'll see you guys in a few seasons... maybe not. Probably best to wait and see dont' ya think?

Originally posted by tahl
The first game of the season is about to start and I'm glad we could get out last 'bored to tears' thread out of the way. Hopefully the rest of the PRO threads will be more interesting. Maybe we'll see you guys in a few seasons... maybe not. Probably best to wait and see dont' ya think?

Ahh the ever-wise Tahl puts it all in perspective...

Originally posted by lukin83

Most of the defense is unboosted, too.

Dude, remind me to redo your logo. That's one ugly can

Originally posted by OMGWTF
Originally posted by lukin83


Most of the defense is unboosted, too.

Dude, remind me to redo your logo. That's one ugly can


Anything that gets open that often is going to be a little rough looking.

Originally posted by Jukin Jive

Anything that gets open that often is going to be a little rough looking.

Ah, that explains your mom.

That one was a layup.