Bump. Thanks guys.
PatsFan94
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+1 I think if anything a promotion should help you not hurt you with losing fan support due to more losses
JeffSteele
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Is this really the problem though? Is the problem not the fact that Fan Support for general W/L with streaks is weirdly done? It seems like you're adding things only to prop up teams who promote and then get on losing streaks by buffering their blow with past successes. That's not the issue; the real issue is that the fan support model is broken because it deals with streaks, which is stupid considering schedules are randomly generated.
GSUFan513
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Originally posted by SyedAshrafulla
Is this really the problem though? Is the problem not the fact that Fan Support for general W/L with streaks is weirdly done? It seems like you're adding things only to prop up teams who promote and then get on losing streaks by buffering their blow with past successes. That's not the issue; the real issue is that the fan support model is broken because it deals with streaks, which is stupid considering schedules are randomly generated.
Well let me ask you, should a team who went 13-3 last season, but didn't move up and is 4-0 this season really only have 22 high fan support?
If you believe this then you are dense. Please try owning a higher levelled team (AA+) that isn't a casual league team before coming out and voting against this. I TRULY think that an organization with a winning past should be rewarded (a la Green Bay) with good ticket sales.
Is this really the problem though? Is the problem not the fact that Fan Support for general W/L with streaks is weirdly done? It seems like you're adding things only to prop up teams who promote and then get on losing streaks by buffering their blow with past successes. That's not the issue; the real issue is that the fan support model is broken because it deals with streaks, which is stupid considering schedules are randomly generated.
Well let me ask you, should a team who went 13-3 last season, but didn't move up and is 4-0 this season really only have 22 high fan support?
If you believe this then you are dense. Please try owning a higher levelled team (AA+) that isn't a casual league team before coming out and voting against this. I TRULY think that an organization with a winning past should be rewarded (a la Green Bay) with good ticket sales.
JeffSteele
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Originally posted by GSUFan513
Originally posted by SyedAshrafulla
Is this really the problem though? Is the problem not the fact that Fan Support for general W/L with streaks is weirdly done? It seems like you're adding things only to prop up teams who promote and then get on losing streaks by buffering their blow with past successes. That's not the issue; the real issue is that the fan support model is broken because it deals with streaks, which is stupid considering schedules are randomly generated.
Well let me ask you, should a team who went 13-3 last season, but didn't move up and is 4-0 this season really only have 22 high fan support?
If you believe this then you are dense. Please try owning a higher levelled team (AA+) that isn't a casual league team before coming out and voting against this. I TRULY think that an organization with a winning past should be rewarded (a la Green Bay) with good ticket sales.No you dolt. I'm saying a team who went 13-3 this season, but didn't move up and is now 0-4 shouldn't be rewarded much for their 0-4 standing this year. While I agree legacy has some impact, one only has to look at how attendance works in fledgling (read: not NFL) organizations to see how streaks matter (see minor league ball, MLS, even young baseball franchises like Florida and Colorado). That being said, I think the whole fan support thing is bogus and welcome any fix that makes at least a little bit more sense.
Originally posted by SyedAshrafulla
Is this really the problem though? Is the problem not the fact that Fan Support for general W/L with streaks is weirdly done? It seems like you're adding things only to prop up teams who promote and then get on losing streaks by buffering their blow with past successes. That's not the issue; the real issue is that the fan support model is broken because it deals with streaks, which is stupid considering schedules are randomly generated.
Well let me ask you, should a team who went 13-3 last season, but didn't move up and is 4-0 this season really only have 22 high fan support?
If you believe this then you are dense. Please try owning a higher levelled team (AA+) that isn't a casual league team before coming out and voting against this. I TRULY think that an organization with a winning past should be rewarded (a la Green Bay) with good ticket sales.No you dolt. I'm saying a team who went 13-3 this season, but didn't move up and is now 0-4 shouldn't be rewarded much for their 0-4 standing this year. While I agree legacy has some impact, one only has to look at how attendance works in fledgling (read: not NFL) organizations to see how streaks matter (see minor league ball, MLS, even young baseball franchises like Florida and Colorado). That being said, I think the whole fan support thing is bogus and welcome any fix that makes at least a little bit more sense.
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Originally posted by SyedAshrafulla
Originally posted by GSUFan513
Originally posted by SyedAshrafulla
Is this really the problem though? Is the problem not the fact that Fan Support for general W/L with streaks is weirdly done? It seems like you're adding things only to prop up teams who promote and then get on losing streaks by buffering their blow with past successes. That's not the issue; the real issue is that the fan support model is broken because it deals with streaks, which is stupid considering schedules are randomly generated.
Well let me ask you, should a team who went 13-3 last season, but didn't move up and is 4-0 this season really only have 22 high fan support?
If you believe this then you are dense. Please try owning a higher levelled team (AA+) that isn't a casual league team before coming out and voting against this. I TRULY think that an organization with a winning past should be rewarded (a la Green Bay) with good ticket sales.No you dolt. I'm saying a team who went 13-3 this season, but didn't move up and is now 0-4 shouldn't be rewarded much for their 0-4 standing this year. While I agree legacy has some impact, one only has to look at how attendance works in fledgling (read: not NFL) organizations to see how streaks matter (see minor league ball, MLS, even young baseball franchises like Florida and Colorado). That being said, I think the whole fan support thing is bogus and welcome any fix that makes at least a little bit more sense.
If this is not NFL or NCAA then where the heck are the rules coming from there has to be a basis. i think a 13-3 record and a 4-0 record currently needs to have a boost in numbers. Mine works for my team even if we are slowbuilding
Originally posted by GSUFan513
Originally posted by SyedAshrafulla
Is this really the problem though? Is the problem not the fact that Fan Support for general W/L with streaks is weirdly done? It seems like you're adding things only to prop up teams who promote and then get on losing streaks by buffering their blow with past successes. That's not the issue; the real issue is that the fan support model is broken because it deals with streaks, which is stupid considering schedules are randomly generated.
Well let me ask you, should a team who went 13-3 last season, but didn't move up and is 4-0 this season really only have 22 high fan support?
If you believe this then you are dense. Please try owning a higher levelled team (AA+) that isn't a casual league team before coming out and voting against this. I TRULY think that an organization with a winning past should be rewarded (a la Green Bay) with good ticket sales.No you dolt. I'm saying a team who went 13-3 this season, but didn't move up and is now 0-4 shouldn't be rewarded much for their 0-4 standing this year. While I agree legacy has some impact, one only has to look at how attendance works in fledgling (read: not NFL) organizations to see how streaks matter (see minor league ball, MLS, even young baseball franchises like Florida and Colorado). That being said, I think the whole fan support thing is bogus and welcome any fix that makes at least a little bit more sense.
If this is not NFL or NCAA then where the heck are the rules coming from there has to be a basis. i think a 13-3 record and a 4-0 record currently needs to have a boost in numbers. Mine works for my team even if we are slowbuilding
GSUFan513
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Originally posted by MessorLord
Originally posted by SyedAshrafulla
Originally posted by GSUFan513
Originally posted by SyedAshrafulla
Is this really the problem though? Is the problem not the fact that Fan Support for general W/L with streaks is weirdly done? It seems like you're adding things only to prop up teams who promote and then get on losing streaks by buffering their blow with past successes. That's not the issue; the real issue is that the fan support model is broken because it deals with streaks, which is stupid considering schedules are randomly generated.
Well let me ask you, should a team who went 13-3 last season, but didn't move up and is 4-0 this season really only have 22 high fan support?
If you believe this then you are dense. Please try owning a higher levelled team (AA+) that isn't a casual league team before coming out and voting against this. I TRULY think that an organization with a winning past should be rewarded (a la Green Bay) with good ticket sales.No you dolt. I'm saying a team who went 13-3 this season, but didn't move up and is now 0-4 shouldn't be rewarded much for their 0-4 standing this year. While I agree legacy has some impact, one only has to look at how attendance works in fledgling (read: not NFL) organizations to see how streaks matter (see minor league ball, MLS, even young baseball franchises like Florida and Colorado). That being said, I think the whole fan support thing is bogus and welcome any fix that makes at least a little bit more sense.
If this is not NFL or NCAA then where the heck are the rules coming from there has to be a basis. i think a 13-3 record and a 4-0 record currently needs to have a boost in numbers. Mine works for my team even if we are slowbuilding
Okay, well I don't think you even READ my suggestion. Fan support takes a hit REGARDLESS, but here is the good thing about my suggestion:
Team A) If you are a winning team season after season and have one bad season (a 4-12 or 3-13 type season) you will not be KILLED on fan support. It will also be easier to get fan support back if you start winning.
Team B) If you are a losing team season after season, and have 1 winning season, your fan support will not be as good as the team who usually wins year after year, who had one bad season. I think that's fair. For instance, the New England Patriots would still have higher fan support this year than the Miami Dolphins. Why? Because as of late the Patriots have been winning year after year while the Dolphins haven't!
Team C) If you are a mediocre team year after year (10-6, 12-4, 13-3, 11-5) that never does anything in the playoffs (a la San Diego) then your team support stays about what it is right now.
Personally, I see this as a win/win, as recent games count more than the previous games, and it still takes legacy into effect. Basically your whole argument was : " It doesn't take the current games into account enough, an 0-4 team shouldn't have high fan support." I completely agree with you. You have to take into account with my scale, that when a winning team loses, it takes away a win (most likely) and adds a loss. It's a double whammy.
Any other questions/concerns? Please read OP or PM me.
Originally posted by SyedAshrafulla
Originally posted by GSUFan513
Originally posted by SyedAshrafulla
Is this really the problem though? Is the problem not the fact that Fan Support for general W/L with streaks is weirdly done? It seems like you're adding things only to prop up teams who promote and then get on losing streaks by buffering their blow with past successes. That's not the issue; the real issue is that the fan support model is broken because it deals with streaks, which is stupid considering schedules are randomly generated.
Well let me ask you, should a team who went 13-3 last season, but didn't move up and is 4-0 this season really only have 22 high fan support?
If you believe this then you are dense. Please try owning a higher levelled team (AA+) that isn't a casual league team before coming out and voting against this. I TRULY think that an organization with a winning past should be rewarded (a la Green Bay) with good ticket sales.No you dolt. I'm saying a team who went 13-3 this season, but didn't move up and is now 0-4 shouldn't be rewarded much for their 0-4 standing this year. While I agree legacy has some impact, one only has to look at how attendance works in fledgling (read: not NFL) organizations to see how streaks matter (see minor league ball, MLS, even young baseball franchises like Florida and Colorado). That being said, I think the whole fan support thing is bogus and welcome any fix that makes at least a little bit more sense.
If this is not NFL or NCAA then where the heck are the rules coming from there has to be a basis. i think a 13-3 record and a 4-0 record currently needs to have a boost in numbers. Mine works for my team even if we are slowbuilding
Okay, well I don't think you even READ my suggestion. Fan support takes a hit REGARDLESS, but here is the good thing about my suggestion:
Team A) If you are a winning team season after season and have one bad season (a 4-12 or 3-13 type season) you will not be KILLED on fan support. It will also be easier to get fan support back if you start winning.
Team B) If you are a losing team season after season, and have 1 winning season, your fan support will not be as good as the team who usually wins year after year, who had one bad season. I think that's fair. For instance, the New England Patriots would still have higher fan support this year than the Miami Dolphins. Why? Because as of late the Patriots have been winning year after year while the Dolphins haven't!
Team C) If you are a mediocre team year after year (10-6, 12-4, 13-3, 11-5) that never does anything in the playoffs (a la San Diego) then your team support stays about what it is right now.
Personally, I see this as a win/win, as recent games count more than the previous games, and it still takes legacy into effect. Basically your whole argument was : " It doesn't take the current games into account enough, an 0-4 team shouldn't have high fan support." I completely agree with you. You have to take into account with my scale, that when a winning team loses, it takes away a win (most likely) and adds a loss. It's a double whammy.
Any other questions/concerns? Please read OP or PM me.
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