Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Voltron
Originally posted by awesome

.3%?

Why not just get rid of them?

Because defense needs something. All the defensive ones suck.

I agree...but I think .3% is an excessive nerf. I thought that VA's were a way to keep higher level players interested. While +1% was giving the older guys an enormous advantage, .3% eliminates the value of that VA even to a defensive player. With nothing but VA's that produce questionable/uncertain results, this does little to allow veterans to get excited about improving their player's build. .5% to spd & quick and .67% to the others would've been a more equitable solution. I hope this is changed (again) next off-season.

Originally posted by horizon
So if you max out a attribute VA, you will get a .45% increase? .3% x 15 = .0045 x 100 = 100.45

IE if you have 100 in an attribute, you will have a 100.45 in it afterwards?

lol

Originally posted by thehazyone
I'm going to be testing VA's (all of them) to see if this is true or not. It's just going to take a while to set up and run, so it's not going to happen overnight. All (and I mean all) results and data will be posted.

Well the tests have already shown that Sure Tackler does in fact do NOTHING, and the player with Sure Tackler, if anything, missed more tackles.

Originally posted by thehazyone
Originally posted by Deathblade

Originally posted by Duo


I for one am glad this change came. There's alot of VAs I want to try but in good conscience couldn't knowing that the attribute ones were there

Spoiler:

The other ones do nothing.

I'm going to be testing VA's (all of them) to see if this is true or not. It's just going to take a while to set up and run, so it's not going to happen overnight. All (and I mean all) results and data will be posted.

This should have been done BEFORE it is forced on the paying customers.

Originally posted by horizon
So if you max out a attribute VA, you will get a .45% increase? .3% x 15 = .0045 x 100 = 100.45

IE if you have 100 in an attribute, you will have a 100.45 in it afterwards?

It's worded wrong, it has to be a .3 gain, so 4.5% capped. Which means if you have a base 80 you'll get a whopping 3.6 point gain for spending 15 VAs.

Originally posted by horizon
So if you max out a attribute VA, you will get a .45% increase? .3% x 15 = .0045 x 100 = 100.45

IE if you have 100 in an attribute, you will have a 100.45 in it afterwards?

no it's an increase of .3% for each attribute point - don't look it as .003*15 but instead look at it as .3*15 =4.5% so 100*4.5%=4.5 so 100+4.5=104.5

Originally posted by Deathblade
Originally posted by thehazyone

I'm going to be testing VA's (all of them) to see if this is true or not. It's just going to take a while to set up and run, so it's not going to happen overnight. All (and I mean all) results and data will be posted.

Well the tests have already shown that Sure Tackler does in fact do NOTHING, and the player with Sure Tackler, if anything, missed more tackles.

That's because Sure Tackler is still only luck. It's a chance to reroll, it doesn't mean you still won't miss on the reroll.

Originally posted by Voltron
That's because Sure Tackler is still only luck. It's a chance to reroll, it doesn't mean you still won't miss on the reroll.

But by simple probability, it should in fact decrease your number of missed tackles out of 100 attempts.

It does not.

Reset coming obviously? I want to get my VA out of Track star if I'm only getting this small gain

Originally posted by Voltron
Originally posted by Deathblade

Originally posted by thehazyone


I'm going to be testing VA's (all of them) to see if this is true or not. It's just going to take a while to set up and run, so it's not going to happen overnight. All (and I mean all) results and data will be posted.

Well the tests have already shown that Sure Tackler does in fact do NOTHING, and the player with Sure Tackler, if anything, missed more tackles.

That's because Sure Tackler is still only luck. It's a chance to reroll, it doesn't mean you still won't miss on the reroll.

Which effectively makes it useless. Same with Sure Hands. At 15 ranks it activiates 75% of the time on missed tackles, catches, so like 10x a season unless you blow. And even then, you still have the same chance at the play as the first time, which you missed so probably not great.

Originally posted by Deathblade
Originally posted by Voltron

That's because Sure Tackler is still only luck. It's a chance to reroll, it doesn't mean you still won't miss on the reroll.

But by simple probability, it should in fact decrease your number of missed tackles out of 100 attempts.

It does not.

I'm fairly positive that they did some changes to Sure Tackler and tested it - I'm a new tester though so I haven't read everything they've done in regards to VA's. Maybe I'll test this one first just to see.

Wow....bruiser and goalline back it is. heh

Will there be an option to reset your VA's with these changes? I can't remember reading anything about that and the announcement doesn't mention anything about a reset.

Originally posted by Larssen
Will there be an option to reset your VA's with these changes? I can't remember reading anything about that and the announcement doesn't mention anything about a reset.

Yes.

Originally posted by NotRippedYet
Originally posted by horizon

So if you max out a attribute VA, you will get a .45% increase? .3% x 15 = .0045 x 100 = 100.45

IE if you have 100 in an attribute, you will have a 100.45 in it afterwards?

It's worded wrong, it has to be a .3 gain, so 4.5% capped. Which means if you have a base 80 you'll get a whopping 3.6 point gain for spending 15 VAs.

If you have base 80 it costs you 6 or 7 SP for each additional point, so those 3.6 points are worth roughly 25 SP, or 5 levels.

Do you really think 15 VAs should be worth more than 5 levels worth of SP?