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Homage
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I think at this point, it's pretty accurate to determine wormser has to be trolling. <3

Going back to work. Adios.
Edited by Homage on Nov 2, 2013 17:18:10
 
baumusc
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Originally posted by wormser1971
As for your first point... The steel that had to be weakened was the steel that was not destroyed by the planes. I have brought that up to you before. You fail to comprehend the fact that 2 buildings, with completely different impact zones and angles, would have needed to have the high temperature fires reach steel that needed to be weakened, through obstructions, like walls and bathrooms, elevator shafts, stairwells etc. You love talking about the fire and how it spread, yet you have zero... ZERO background in thermodynamics, much like homage, and as such your claims need you to find anyone with that background who supports that theory. Fire is not like steel. It is a transforming beast. Heat does not immediately transfer into steel. There are several variables in the transfer of heat, such as the nature of the fire, fireproofing,air flow, vicinity to the fire, type of metal etc. that you have never given thought to.

As for the second point... I have shown you the devices that are patented for the task, and used because they are efficient with the minimum amount of thermite needed.

As for nuclear detonation... again, you show that you are not in any way having a serious discussion here.


Look at the specs of the WTC buildings and how they were built. Much of the structure was dependent on the exterior trusses and the rest of the support was on the inner core. When the airplanes struck they did massive damage to the exterior trusses. Below is finite element analysis of the two buildings after the airplanes impacted.

http://www.luxinzheng.net/publications/english_WTC.htm

Here is a visual computer simulation of the impact. Notice the massive damage to both the exterior and core trusses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cddIgb1nGJ8
 
baumusc
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Originally posted by Homage
I think at this point, it's pretty accurate to determine wormser has to be trolling at this point. <3

Going back to work. Adios.


Good troll job. He had me sold that he actually believed what he was saying.
 
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Originally posted by baumusc
Good troll job. He had me sold that he actually believed what he was saying.


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rams78110
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Couple points that have irked me but I don't care to quote individually:

It's impossible to fly a plane into a building, it had to be remote controlled!11!!!1
So it's hard to hit a building in the cockpit with the joystick, looking directly where you're flying so your explanation is that it's easier to hit a target sitting skewed off away from the plane with a remote control? How does that make any sense?

They used thermite!!
How? did they strap thermite to it? Because in that cause it would melt the outside of the beam and run down the beam. Did they cut it then pack the cut with thermite? Why? The beam would already be cut in that case, using thermite just seems unnecessary
 
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Originally posted by rams78110
Couple points that have irked me but I don't care to quote individually:

It's impossible to fly a plane into a building, it had to be remote controlled!11!!!1
So it's hard to hit a building in the cockpit with the joystick, looking directly where you're flying so your explanation is that it's easier to hit a target sitting skewed off away from the plane with a remote control? How does that make any sense?


and then there's the fact that the buildings were wider than airport runways are...lol. no way they could hit those tiny things.
 
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Originally posted by rams78110
Couple points that have irked me but I don't care to quote individually:

It's impossible to fly a plane into a building, it had to be remote controlled!11!!!1
So it's hard to hit a building in the cockpit with the joystick, looking directly where you're flying so your explanation is that it's easier to hit a target sitting skewed off away from the plane with a remote control? How does that make any sense?

They used thermite!!
How? did they strap thermite to it? Because in that cause it would melt the outside of the beam and run down the beam. Did they cut it then pack the cut with thermite? Why? The beam would already be cut in that case, using thermite just seems unnecessary


Linear thermite cutting device.... I posted the patent from 96.... pages ago
 
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Originally posted by wormser1971
As for your first point... The steel that had to be weakened was the steel that was not destroyed by the planes. I have brought that up to you before. You fail to comprehend the fact that 2 buildings, with completely different impact zones and angles, would have needed to have the high temperature fires reach steel that needed to be weakened, through obstructions, like walls and bathrooms, elevator shafts, stairwells etc. You love talking about the fire and how it spread, yet you have zero... ZERO background in thermodynamics, much like homage, and as such your claims need you to find anyone with that background who supports that theory. Fire is not like steel. It is a transforming beast. Heat does not immediately transfer into steel. There are several variables in the transfer of heat, such as the nature of the fire, fireproofing,air flow, vicinity to the fire, type of metal etc. that you have never given thought to.

As for the second point... I have shown you the devices that are patented for the task, and used because they are efficient with the minimum amount of thermite needed.

As for nuclear detonation... again, you show that you are not in any way having a serious discussion here.


You are a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist.
 
wormser1971
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Originally posted by baumusc
Good troll job. He had me sold that he actually believed what he was saying.


You have no proof of your education. You show a tremendous lack of education.
 
rams78110
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Originally posted by wormser1971
You have no proof of your education. You show a tremendous lack of education.


Says Mr. 'buildings cant burn'
 
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on the topic of the planes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRKGA8mTpug 9/11 intercepted


40+ minutes of my life I'll never get back. Sorry dude, I heard a lot of could's and maybe's but nothing that countered 19 jihadists hijacking 4 aircraft and attacking their sworn enemy with them. In fact, it actually supports what happened.
Edited by D-line skidmarks on Nov 3, 2013 01:02:57
 
Homage
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Originally posted by rams78110
Says Mr. 'buildings cant burn'


Originally posted by Homage
I think at this point, it's pretty accurate to determine wormser has to be trolling. <3

Going back to work. Adios.


 
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How should those buildings have collapsed?
 
baumusc
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Originally posted by wormser1971
You have no proof of your education. You show a tremendous lack of education.


I don't need to prove my education. I didn't come up with any of the calculations, data, models, FEA or simulations that I based my personal opinion on. I simply deferred to the experts when it came to that so my education is pretty irrelevant. I simply stated that I too had an engineering degree when you were throwing around the fact that a a degreed engineer made certain statements about structures not being able to fall. I was basically making the point that there are a lot of engineers out there and the vast majority do not agree with a demolition scenario when it comes to the WTC buildings.
 
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http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2002-09-04-elevator-usat_x.htm

These are the guys that had access to the areas where explosives/thermite needed to be placed for controlled demolition

Ace elevator was in charge of and performing the "elevator modernization project"
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2002-09-04-elevator-usat_x.htm
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On Sept. 11, people fought their own way out of elevators or they died. USA TODAY could not locate any professional rescues of people stuck in elevators. The Fire Department of New York and the Port Authority also could not cite successful rescues.

Rescue attempts were underway when the buildings collapsed. Firefighters from Ladder 4 and Engine 54 — which shared a firehouse at 48th Street and Eighth Avenue — used the Jaws of Life tool to rescue people trapped in an elevator in the south tower lobby. The firefighters died when the tower collapsed at 9:59 a.m. Their bodies were found near an elevator and their Jaws of Life.

The elevator rescue effort was run from a fire safety desk in each lobby. Consoles digitally showed the location of every elevator. The fire safety desks also had an intercom system to speak to people inside the elevators. The fire department had set up command posts next to the fire safety desks.

In each tower, a Port Authority supervisor tried to make contact with each elevator.

Bobbitt, the Port Authority supervisor contacting elevators in the north tower, says he spoke to people in about 10 stalled elevators. He contacted about 75 of the 99 elevators in the north tower before the other tower collapsed and he evacuated. Bobbitt could not contact about 20 elevators located above the 78th floor. The console showed no reading for those elevators, suggesting they were most likely destroyed.

When Bobbitt located people trapped in an elevator, a colleague, Don Parente, wrote down the elevator number and its location. "We found out the information and gave it to the firemen," Bobbitt says. "A couple different firemen grabbed a couple different lists, but I don't know what happened after that."

For reasons that are unclear, even the easiest rescues — releasing people trapped in elevators in the ground floor lobby — were not attempted. For example, Chris Young, a 33-year-old temporary worker, escaped on his own a few feet from the fire department's command post in the north tower just five minutes before the building collapsed. He had twice reported his location via intercom. And passengers who escaped from an adjacent elevator told firefighters they had spoken to the trapped man. He was able to open the doors only when the power failed and the motor holding the doors shut stopped working.

Elevator mechanics left

On Sept. 11, ACE Elevator of Palisades Park, N.J., had 80 elevator mechanics inside the World Trade Center.

Following the Port Authority's emergency plan, after the first jet hit the north tower, elevator mechanics from both towers reported to the fire safety desk in the south tower lobby for instructions from police or firefighters. About 60 mechanics had arrived in the south tower lobby and others were in radio contact when the second jet struck that building.

"We were standing there trying to count heads when the second plane hit (the south tower)," said Peter Niederau, ACE Elevator's supervisor of the modernization project. "Parts of the lobby and glass were coming down around us, so we all got out of the lobby as fast as we could."

They left in different directions. Some went through the underground shopping mall. Others went out onto Liberty Street. Had they stayed, they would have been about 30 yards from the two express elevators where firefighters tried unsuccessfully to save people. Another mechanic was in the north tower's 78th floor elevator lobby — where Savas and other people were trapped — when the first jet hit. The mechanic was knocked across the lobby, then evacuated safely, the ACE Elevator supervisors say.

"(We) went out to the street to assess the damage and come back in as needed," says James O'Neill, ACE Elevator's supervisor of maintenance. The plan was to return to the building later in the day to help with rescues. The strategy had worked after the 1993 terrorist bombing, when many of the same mechanics — working for Otis Elevator, which had the contract then — were hailed as heroes.

On Sept. 11, the mechanics left on their own, without instructions from police or fire officials. ACE Elevator supervisors say this was consistent with the emergency plan. All the mechanics survived. "We had a procedure. We had a procedure to follow, and they (the mechanics) followed it," Niederau says.

But the Port Authority says the emergency plan called for mechanics to stay and help with rescues. "The manuals consider many emergency scenarios and describe the role of the mechanics in detail in responding to them," Port Authority spokesman Allen Morrison says. "There was no situation in which the mechanics were advised or instructed to leave on their own. They were, depending on the situation, to be dispatched to various emergency posts or to respond to various passenger entrapments and to assist police, fire and other rescue personnel."

About 9:45 a.m., from the south tower lobby, Port Authority elevator manager Joseph Amatuccio radioed the ACE Elevator supervisors on their private radio channel. O'Neill recalls him asking: "Can you mobilize to come inside and see what's going on? Because I'm here with the fire department, and they're asking me questions I don't know."

O'Neill radioed John Menville, an ACE Elevator supervisor trained in rescues, and both tried to get back in the building. The supervisors had special ID badges with red stripes that allowed them behind police lines. The badges had been issued after the 1993 bombing.

As Menville approached, the south tower collapsed. Amatuccio and his colleagues were killed. Bobbitt and other firefighters began evacuating the soon-to-collapse north tower.

The elevator rescue effort was over
 
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