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Basically, due to the failings of last seasons process, I have decided to forgo the whole "nomination" process and instead have hand picked from the two Conferences those players to be considered for the various positions.

However, there are a couple of catches.

I will accept multiple nominations from players on the same team as this is a PUBLIC vote, not simply a vote of Owners/GM's. Any effort to rig it will see me laughing in your general direction.

Also voting is allowed cross conference. Alpha may also vote for Zeta candidates and vice versa.

I hope to see some honest voting for opposition teams and players, not merely your own.

If teams could please link to this thread in your own forums in order to raise awareness. Cheers.




VOTING
All votes are hidden, and to be sent via PM to myself.

When Voting please list the player as below:

ALPHA - QB - Steve Tarkenton
ZETA - QB - Jason Street
ZETA - HB - Chris Johnson


or alternatively copy+paste my post, and delete out those you do not wish to nominate (and add in your nominations in the blank spaces provided).

I don't mind if you do all Alpha first, then all Zeta - so long as it retains the right format (this helps counting up).




UNITS
Some portions of the Pro Bowl will be voted for by "Unit". A unit is a full formation of a particular team (such as its defensive line). Additional individual votes will be taken. This allows you to say something like:

ZETA - D-Line - Madrid Tigers
ZETA - D-Line - Marion Dangerously - Grass Root Divots


The vote for the Unit will be 1pt to all players on that D-Line.

A nomination for an individual will be 1pt to that individual player.

Please see below for further "notes".


NOTES
- In certain cases I have listed "dual" players in limited cases (when backups have made significant contributions to primary positions - in these cases the votes are for the primary player, but with an honourable mention to their understudy).

- There may not be an equal number of nominations from each conference.

- A minimum of 2 players for each primary position will be selected for the Pro Bowl (I think this may have caused confusion with regards to the "formation" information below - the Formation is simply how the results will be presented).

- Due to the difficulty in seperating them due to a lack of tangible stats - Fullbacks are included with Runningbacks automatically. A vote for Billie Holliday is a vote for Alvin Smith.

- O-Lines are nominated as a "unit". It's up to you how you grade them (pancakes, hurries, sacks - once I have the O-Line votes in I will pick out the best for each position from the voted teams). A vote for Chi-Town Bombers is a vote for their starters at LT, LG, C, RG, and RT. I will take special nominations as part of the PM (both your own team, and perhaps an opposition player who has impressed).

- As above; D-Lines are nominated as a "unit". Individuals will be selected from those teams picked as best fit a 4-3 formation. Special Nominations may be sent as part of the PM.

- As above; Linebackers are nominated as a "unit" (ROLB, LOLB MLB). Individuals will be selected from those teams picked as best fit a 4-3 formation. Special Nominations may be sent as part of the PM.

- As above; Cornerbacks are nominated as a "unit" (CB1, CB2, CB3). Individuals will be selected from those teams picked as best fit to a 2CB scheme. Special Nominations may be sent as part of the PM.

- As above; Safeties are nominated as a unit (FS and SS). Individuals will be selected from those teams picked as best fit to a 2Safety scheme plus special nominations.

- A "special nomination" will be counted seperately. This is a chance for a manager/GM to nominate someone who has perhaps not featured anywhere else but has achieved something on special teams, or that isn't represented by statistics. Returners will have their own category.
Last edited Jul 12, 2008 10:21:26
 
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=============================================================================
Quarterbacks:

ALPHA
1 - 'Captain' Lionel Mandrake/J.T. Denway - London Minotaurs - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team_player_stats.pl?team_id=1893
2 - Steve Tarkenton/Theodor Hu - Paris Philharmonic - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team_player_stats.pl?team_id=1891
3 - Jim Corn - Eindhoven Eagles - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team_player_stats.pl?team_id=1894
4 - Axxy Fagsy - Chi-Town Bombers - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team_player_stats.pl?team_id=1896

ZETA
1 - Nick Morton - NFLUK Vikings - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player_game_log.pl?player_id=92935
2 - Blaine Dalton - Madrid Tigers - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player_game_log.pl?player_id=348684
3 - Sebastien Montague Summersthwaite III/Cup Cakes - Grass Root Divots - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team_player_stats.pl?team_id=1903
4 - Jason Street - Permian Panthers - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player_game_log.pl?player_id=68754

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Runningbacks:
ALPHA
1 - Flash Peterson/Abdul-wes-akim-fly - Paris Dream Bolts - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team_player_stats.pl?team_id=1886&stat=rushing&playoffs=0
2 - Corey Johnson/Taylor Canton - Christiania Tigers - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team_player_stats.pl?team_id=1882&stat=rushing&playoffs=0
3 - Billy Holliday/Hannah Montana - Eindhoven Eagles - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team_player_stats.pl?team_id=1894&stat=rushing&playoffs=0
4 - Adam Law - London Avengers - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=129210
5 - Patrick Batman/Time Out - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team_player_stats.pl?team_id=1890&stat=rushing&playoffs=0

ZETA
1 - Rodney King - Lyon Demons - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team_player_stats.pl?team_id=1907&stat=rushing&playoffs=0
2 - James "Thunder" Harper - Húsavík Whalers - hhttp://goallineblitz.com/game/team_player_stats.pl?team_id=1906&stat=rushing&playoffs=0
3 - Derrick Washington/De'vion Moore - Madrid Tigers - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team_player_stats.pl?team_id=1905&stat=rushing&playoffs=0
4 - Hoof Hearted - NFLUK Dover Vikings - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team_player_stats.pl?team_id=314&stat=rushing&playoffs=0
5 - Chris Johnson/Christelle Lefebvre - Permian Panthers - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team_player_stats.pl?team_id=1901&stat=rushing&playoffs=0
6 - Hans Cardington/Felix Bonk/Shep Royal - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team_player_stats.pl?team_id=1903&stat=rushing&playoffs=0
7 - Booya Hype/Taebaek Choi/Eric Hype - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team_player_stats.pl?team_id=1909&stat=rushing&playoffs=0

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Wide Receivers:
ALPHA
1 - Joe Chang - Paris Philharmonic - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=239132
2 - James Guest - Eindhoven Eagles - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=247367
3 - Fish Ball - Team Liquid - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=148159
4 - Mark Super Duper - Paris Gloutons - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=253866
5 - Nick Waldron - Chi-Town Bombers - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=87829
6 - David Harrison - Paris Philharmonic - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=229552
7 - Downtown Reggie Brown - Helsinki Towers - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=181996
8 - Corey Conrath - London Avengers - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=142861
9 - Major T.J. 'King' Kong - London Minotaurs - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=187578


ZETA
1 - Seb Harris - NFLUK Manchester Fire - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=230660
2 - AllYouGonSee IsTheBackOfMyHead - Húsavík Whalers - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=126893
3 - Droppery Henderson - NFLUK Dover Vikings - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=63095
4 - Gene Clark - Atlanta Conchords - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=261533
5 - Tommy Saunders - Madrid Tigers - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=348690
6 - Miles Ashley - Lyon Demons - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=306064

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Tight-Ends
ALPHA
1 - Indy Clark - London Minotaurs - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=95197
2 - Johnny Catchy - Christiania Tigers - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=94205
3 - Benson Young - Paris Philharmonic - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=128378
4 - Zach Miller - Chi-Town Bombers - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=31836
5 - Phillip Eash - London Avengers - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=133601


ZETA
1 - Reuben Hayes - Grass Root Divots - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=37070
2 - Andrew Jones - Madrid Tigers - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=236922
3 - Jonny Mophead - NFLUK Dover Vikings - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=34626
4 - Junior Miller - Hamburg Lightning - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=236624
5 - Morten "The Big" Bang - Copenhagen Cheetahs - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=119759

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Kickers
ALPHA
1 - Slayers Boxer - Team Liquid - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=160064
2 - Ace Kicker - London Minotaurs - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=156652
3 - Tirador el Pie - Eindhoven Eagles - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=262213
4 - Roberto Baggio - Little Italy Goodfellas - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=301641
5 - Sinai Montano - Paris Philharmonic - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=77620
6 - ground Gostkowski - Paris Dream Bolts - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=235958

ZETA
1 - Portland Duke - Grass Root Divots - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=38749
2 - Jeff Wolfert - Madrid Tigers - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=237024
3 - Bruce Benz - Permian Panthers - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=42142
4 - Drewboy - Lyon Demons - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=100301

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Punters
ALPHA
1 - Shank Never - Buckingham Wild Boars - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=232220
2 - Med Tech55 - Dublin Devils - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=80518
3 - Josey Wales - Eindhoven Eagles - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=116226
4 - Craig Hentrich - Paris Dream Bolts - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=236097
5 - Pin you deep - Frankfurt Sentinals - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=313076
6 - Brian Albion - Christiania Tigers - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=150589

ZETA
1 - Jeff Eagles - Permian Panthers - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=157298
2 - Adam Crossett - Madrid Tigers - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=259652
3 - Ricky Punting - Grass Root Divots - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=241981
4 - endzone to endzone - Berlin Spartans - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=351513
5 - Bob Bigboop - Yorkshire Blades - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=384429

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Kick/Punt Return
ALPHA
1 - Jay Olsen - London Minotaurs - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=259799
2 - Deion CB Sanders - Paris Philharmonic - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=276622
3 - Vince Moore - Team Liquid - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=252179
4 - Phillip Hanson - Christiania Tigers - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=150253

ZETA
1 - Areeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeebaaa!!!!!! - Lyon Demons - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=499115
2 - Super King - NFLUK Dover Vikings - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=371601
3 - O.J. "Lightning" McQueen - Copenhagen Cheetahs - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=314558
4 - Connor Reznik - Grass Root Divots - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=358722
5 - Mad Donna Venomcutter - Hamburg Firestorm - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=293027
6 - Michael 'Beerman' Lewis - NFLUK Manchester Fire - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=508203

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Unit votes:

O-LINE:


D-LINE:


LINEBACKERS:


CORNERS:


SAFETIES:


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Special Nominations:




Last edited Jul 11, 2008 18:09:28
 
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On behalf of the Atlanta Conchords, how can you not nominate Zach Raus at QB!?

Leads Zeta conference in Passing (by nearly 200 yards)
Leads Zeta conference in Completions (1st: 430, 2nd: 401, 3rd: 357)
Therefore...
Leads Zeta conference in Yards/Game

...and he has done this in addition to having been hurried 81 times (only 1 less time than the conference leader), having no running game, and having the benefit of the wide reciever that leads the league with 22 drops.

I would like to urge you to edit your post, and tell everyone to look at Zach Raus for Zeta's QB.
 
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Unfortunately it was hard to put forward a guy who has thrown all season because his team was behind. I wont dispute the yardage is nice, but the percentage isn't great and the Interception to TD ratio is pretty horrific.

Also both the Grass Root Divots (3774), and the NFLUK Dover Vikings (3394.5) had higher passing numbers in terms of yards.

Please feel free to include him as part of the Special Nominations category if you wish.
 
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When is the last day of voting?
 
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No rush, the final game needs to play out, but for the most part those listed are pretty much the obvious ones for nomination and this gets everybody into the right frame of mind.
 
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you did a terrific job .
But i dont like the unit job , Pro Bowl is about players not group , for example i would certainly have vote for our DE Usi Omenyora , or Alfred Small the Tigers 's CB ,but i wont vote for , Dream Bolts DL or Tigers CB .

You wont have to make all the nominations , we can search by ourself .
I rather see an individual vote for every position , that s make more sense to me .

Still you made a terrific job , and i m available to help you if you need .
 
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The idea is you vote for both. Basically we have defences out there with players who have no "stats" of note. It's very easy to pick out Alfred Small - but that doesn't necessarily mean he was the best cornerback.

Instead the vote should go to Christiania Tigers (giving 1pt to Small, Lacquee and Labelle) for having the best passing defence in the division (in your opinion - not that I'm saying it is ) and then you can then have a "Special Nomination" for a particular player on another team (or same team) so you could end up giving 2pts to Small, or 1pt to another CB.

It's easier to seperate some players out than others is my reason for doing this. I know some people will make the effort to go through everything statistically - but doing that could easily just result in the same 5 or 6 players with the best "stats" filtering to the top regardless of their actual success (i.e. the guys with 180 tackles playing on the bottom teams...).

This should hopefully allow a more representative vote without alienating any particular player as you are able to pick out both a team (who had a great defensive unit) and an individual player (who had great individual stats).

I've attempted to clarify the initial post.
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What you said is totally fair , the problem is Pro Bowl voting is never fair

it's so hard to determinate what make a player good .
Ok this guy have 1000 ints : Why ? big pressure from the DL ? Shutdown CB around him ? Great cover pass safeties ? Bad offense who cant keep the clock running ?

You can imagine thousand scenarii .
The only criteria for a good team is W .

Pro Bowl is another story , if we follow your idea , for our conference it s pretty simple we nominate all the Minotaurs squad because they are the best team in almost every category .

Pro Bowl doesnt work like that it s all about individuals , it s a vote who mark great PLAYERS not great teams , i cant vote for another DE than the bombers Damata Teku or the bolts Omenyora these guys changed the face of their team almost alone , they deserve recognition ,pro bowl is an opportunity for the weakest team to have their shining moment .

Of coures we have to look carefully to the stats ,they are not always revealing the true colors of a team , but we all know that a guy in a bad defense can compile 1000 TKL , and every voters know that and will vote with awareness .

 
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The London Minotaurs players deserve recognition though, yes? If it's hard to pick out an individual on a team that dominates, does that make the individuals any less important than someone who racks up nice stats elsewhere? Or any less "Great" a player?

As stated - the option is there to nominate an individual as well as a unit.

Use it.

And then have faith in the system.
 
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Actually, are you worried only 1 player will be chosen in total for a single position? If so then that's probably me not being clear. There will be a minimum of 2 Pro Bowlers for each primary position (apart from kicker and punter for obvious reasons).
 
nans
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i think it s not about you not being clear , it s about me with too little understanding

I will send you my vote right know just for checking if i m not too stupid .
 
etclark
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Originally posted by Koncorde
Unfortunately it was hard to put forward a guy who has thrown all season because his team was behind. I wont dispute the yardage is nice, but the percentage isn't great and the Interception to TD ratio is pretty horrific.

Also both the Grass Root Divots (3774), and the NFLUK Dover Vikings (3394.5) had higher passing numbers in terms of yards.

Please feel free to include him as part of the Special Nominations category if you wish.


I believe the QB position is a single player, not a block. The fact that those two teams have more yardage means nothing. He hasn't thrown all season cause the team was behind. He threw all season because he is the best QB on the team, and a lot of stamina. And I am not disputing the TD INT ratio, and I am not saying he is the best QB out there. I do think he is deserving of a nomination though.
 
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In the end - I can't consider someone if I don't get any votes. So at least send in a completed ballot.
 
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First votes are starting to trickle in - no clear leader as yet in any category!
 
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