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King of Bling
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Originally posted by Kenshinzen
True. Sadly not many non farm teams enter Pro and we have at least two CPU or human owned team with CPU players in every conference (except those top two you mentioned).


I'm not buying the 'non-farm' talk. This off-season there were a number of quality FA dots that just sat in the PLFT Forum, not even getting an offer. While 'non-farm' teams may have it more difficult, not even trying to date the 'hot chick' so to speak, is a sure recipe for falling short. At least take a swing!!
 
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Originally posted by King of Bling
I'm not buying the 'non-farm' talk. This off-season there were a number of quality FA dots that just sat in the PLFT Forum, not even getting an offer. While 'non-farm' teams may have it more difficult, not even trying to date the 'hot chick' so to speak, is a sure recipe for falling short. At least take a swing!!


No teams surviving by recruiting is viable in Natty Pro (nor has been in a long time). Choices for teams are a farm system, or cradle to the grave. Pretending recruiting is a real thing because there were 9 plateau dots in PLFT this offseason just shows you to be out of touch with the game.

 
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If it weren't for Ryan and Wise, Stillwater would have been forced to reset. I'm not one to hang around in Pro being mediocre.

(insert jokes about us right here)

For real though, without Ryan having left over dots for us to fill our roster, we wouldn't be competitive at all.

Every farm team I've tried to do since S79 has had 2-3 inactive agents by level 52. It's impossible to make it to Pro with the same team you started with anymore, people leave the game, issues come up, they get recruited into network teams, etc.
 
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Originally posted by Pwned
If it weren't for Ryan and Wise, Stillwater would have been forced to reset. I'm not one to hang around in Pro being mediocre.

(insert jokes about us right here)

For real though, without Ryan having left over dots for us to fill our roster, we wouldn't be competitive at all.

Every farm team I've tried to do since S79 has had 2-3 inactive agents by level 52. It's impossible to make it to Pro with the same team you started with anymore, people leave the game, issues come up, they get recruited into network teams, etc.


when you add people to your farm teams, have them send you their password so you can keep them active during inactive times
 
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Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
No teams surviving by recruiting is viable in Natty Pro (nor has been in a long time). Choices for teams are a farm system, or cradle to the grave. Pretending recruiting is a real thing because there were 9 plateau dots in PLFT this offseason just shows you to be out of touch with the game.



S85 Thrown Together disagrees
 
WiSeIVIaN
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Originally posted by RyanCane26
S85 Thrown Together disagrees


1 top WL owner with tons of connections being able to scramble together 1 competitive team once 1.5 years ago?

...Sigh...
 
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Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
1 top WL owner with tons of connections being able to scramble together 1 competitive team once 1.5 years ago?

...Sigh...


Ryan hadn't won a WL title yet

we all liked him better back then
 
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After very little deliberation, time to throw some preseason guesses out there:

#1 Miami RedHawks EPL -
#2 Nomad Nation PPL -
#3 Grey Bandits SAPL -
#4 HHWC SAPL
#5 Odyssey EPL
#6 TPSAI EPL
#7 Cowbots PPL
#8 Chaos NAPL -
#9 Pandemonium PPL
#10 BDS SAPL
#11 Stillwater EPL
#12 STALINGRAD EPL
#13 Insanity SAPL
#14 Hurricanes PPL
#15 U-ND Sea Wasps NAPL
#16 Black Hand EPL
#17 Redwolves NAPL
#18 Blackhawks PPL
#19 Riders PPL
#20 Alabama NAPL
#21 Maori PPL
#22 D-Town - PPL -
#23 Happies NAPL -
#24 Louisville NAPL -
#25 Railroaders SAPL
#26 Amsterdam - NAPL
#27 Cougars EPL
#28 Pandas NAPL -
#29 Havoc EPL
#30 Mammoths EPL


By League/Conferences:

EPL - West:
#6 TPSAI EPL
#12 STALINGRAD EPL
#29 Havoc EPL
#30 Mammoths EPL

EPL - East:
#1 Miami RedHawks EPL
#5 Odyssey EPL
#11 Stillwater EPL
#16 Black Hand EPL
#27 Cougars EPL

NAPL - USA:
#15 U-ND Sea Wasps NAPL
#17 Redwolves NAPL
#23 Happies NAPL -
#28 Pandas NAPL -

NAPL - Canada:
#8 Chaos NAPL
#20 Alabama NAPL
#24 Louisville NAPL -
#26 Amsterdam - NAPL

PPL - SEA:
#2 Nomad Nation PPL
#9 Pandemonium PPL
#14 Hurricanes PPL
#21 Maori PPL

PPL - Oceania:
#7 Cowbots PPL
#18 Blackhawks PPL
#19 Riders PPL
#22 D-Town PPL -

SAPL - SA:
#4 HHWC SAPL
#10 BDS SAPL

SAPL - Africa:
#3 Grey Bandits SAPL -
#13 Insanity SAPL
#25 Railroaders SAPL
 
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Miami waaaaaay to high
 
Theo Wizzago
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I'm going to disagree with all of you and agree with Ryan. While it's >easier< to have a good and consistent crop of dots ready to refill your rosters (farm teams) and/or >>IF<< you can somehow manage to have a total run of cradle to grave, without having to replace anyone (or, at least, very, very few), you can make a tiny argument about those teams having the most infinitesimal advantage... but only in dot quality. The days of newbs building craptastic dots that only their mother could love are pretty much dead and gone. Most dot builders left are veterans of the psychic wars (had to do my B.O.C. reference here!) and most dots are pretty close when it comes to their quality so having to pick up replacements isn't as bad as it was long ago. Even... even IF you take a tiny drop in quality, high quality coaches can overcome that pretty easy. Aside from terrible chemistry hits, there's not much damage anymore from having to add dots from the market. And, truth, only the cradle to grave teams that somehow manage to stay 100% intact don't suffer that issue. Organizations still must move players from one team to another so they take the chem hit as well.
 
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With respect Theo, have you ever ran a team and tried to recruit to keep that plateau team filled?

I ran an independent team and recruited through free agency for half of GLB 's history, and by the end of that (s49) it was no longer a sustainable approach. Now it is way less so. It's like throwing duck-tape on an airplane and hoping it can still fly.


 
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Originally posted by reddogrw
Ryan hadn't won a WL title yet

we all liked him better back then


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Theo Wizzago
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Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
With respect Theo, have you ever ran a team and tried to recruit to keep that plateau team filled?

I ran an independent team and recruited through free agency for half of GLB 's history, and by the end of that (s49) it was no longer a sustainable approach. Now it is way less so. It's like throwing duck-tape on an airplane and hoping it can still fly.




As a team owner? No. As a recruiter? Yes... many times. Wore me out. I still help when and where I can for several teams but I make sure the salaries and offers are the provenance of the team owner or CFO. Where I use to Head Coach any sending of offers was done through the coaches (approving of the player) and the CFO/Owner to be sure of how much to offer. If you know how it's not as bad as all that. I see way too many teams waiting far too late to get started on finding replacements and so by the time they post their offers in the market most agents have already signed their dots or committed them. Does that mean it's easy? Hell no... but not impossible. Besides... my take was about the QUALITY you can find... not the quantity. It use to be lots of dots but picking through the crap to find the good ones was tedious at best. Now it's plenty of quality but not nearly as many dots to choose from so.....
 
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