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Theo Wizzago
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Reading it it seems like it would only work for a CB. Is that true or does it work for any defensive player?
If yes, then is it a great SA, good SA, mediocre SA, or worthless SA?

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I've seen it on a dot at 8 with no visible difference. There's always been a debate on whether it was broken as in not firing. Bort swore up and down that it was working as intended.

At some point in time, someone said they were going to test it on a slow dot, because in theory, that should make an additive SA the most visible. I never heard of anyone confirming it was working.

Edit: ...although this is a game of millimeters, and who knows how accurately the replays depict a speed difference. Maybe it could be a difference maker on the right dot.
Thanks for all the help autocorrect

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It's important to note that "Blitz" doesn't fire. It's kinda like route run in that it's always active as long as you're rushing the passer.

So... When rushing the passer you are getting a small bonus to speed+agi on every play.

In my head, I would estimate this to be +0.5spd/+0.5agi per level at an absolute minimum. So that would be +5 spd / +5 agi for 30 SP (which would put you equal to 3-capping the attribute).

So... if you are 8-capping spd/agi it probably makes more sense to get 10 blitz with some of those SP's. And there's a decent chance it's more than 0.5/0.5 per level (maybe 0.75/0.75 per level, which would only be 2-cap equivalent.

However, the effect of +5-10 spd / agi on a given play is not especially noticeable. In my experience, if you are only diving hard into one SA, Tunnel Vision is better since its exponential (each level increases attributes as well as increases chance to fire), and gives a bigger bonus when it fires compared to an always present SA like blitz.

So in summary, I'm sure it's mathematically not bad, but if choosing between SA's, tunnel vision is preferable. Also Shed Block almost certainly helps your block shed roll more (since it's boosting the roll at a flat rate every play, as opposed to boosting attributes that are some of the roll)
 
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Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN


So in summary, I'm sure it's mathematically not bad, but if choosing between SA's, tunnel vision is preferable. Also Shed Block almost certainly helps your block shed roll more (since it's boosting the roll at a flat rate every play, as opposed to boosting attributes that are some of the roll)


All true. This is a blitz CB he's talking here, to any shed block is worthless. If he gets blocked the play is over. Maybe Head of Steam to completely avoid blocks.

 
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On specialist blitz cbs ....

Blitz i go 12 to 14 SA usually use EQ there
1st Step and Change Direction 10/8
Disguize Blitz as AA 10

VAs...Quick Track star Sure Tackler Pass Rusher plus whatever "nuance" I want to give him ie OTK 6 2nd wind 6 etc

EQ I take BB hoping that AGL is around 110+ and MT....

SPD around 160 is minimum imo and AGL HAS to be 100+ imo... Some say Tackling to increase radius which I get but I look at 80 STR and TKL Stamina over 64 imo

I think blitz SA works best in a faster dot and theres also the benefit of hurries and forcing bad throws

 
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Originally posted by Altech
All true. This is a blitz CB he's talking here, to any shed block is worthless. If he gets blocked the play is over. Maybe Head of Steam to completely avoid blocks.



Actually no.
I got it as a bonus SA for one of my DT's and that's how this got started. I hovered the cursor over the SA and all it says was 5% bonus per level to boost speed and agility for a CB. Never mentioned any other position but I am very well aware of many SA's that work for dots other than the one's they speak about. AOI comes to mind.
But it did beg the question... is CB all it works for? And, also in follow up, do people get it and use it and how do they rate it's success/failure?
For a Pass Rush type of D-lineman... IF it works for them... it would seem to be a good bonus SA to go with things like Tunnel Vision, ect, ect, ect. But if it either doesn't work for D-linemen (or even LB's for that matter) but only works for CB's... or if it's a sucky SA... then I can swap it out for something better not already in the SA tree.
Edited by Theo Wizzago on Apr 19, 2022 17:40:14
 
slughead42
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Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
But it did beg the question... is CB all it works for?


If you go to add a SA to a DT, Blitz is one that is shown in the "Show only Recommended Abilities" list, and the description of it there doesn't mention CBs or any other specific position. Not even Bort would go to that length to get dotbuilders to invest in a worthless SA, methinks.
 
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Originally posted by slughead42
If you go to add a SA to a DT, Blitz is one that is shown in the "Show only Recommended Abilities" list, and the description of it there doesn't mention CBs or any other specific position. Not even Bort would go to that length to get dotbuilders to invest in a worthless SA, methinks.


wow. Good point brother! Hadn't considered that angle.


Now... is it worth it for a DT to get?
 
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I could have sworn there was a Bort Q&A on this a long while ago stating that it worked on dots not lined up on the line of scrimmage. I will never find the quote, and it may also be a bad recollection by me.

 
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Originally posted by sunder B
I could have sworn there was a Bort Q&A on this a long while ago stating that it worked on dots not lined up on the line of scrimmage. I will never find the quote, and it may also be a bad recollection by me.



this is correct.
 
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Originally posted by ProfessionalKop
this is correct.


I am reasonably sure it is not correct...

Bort Q&A's he defined "blitzing" as synonymous with pass rushing.
 
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Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
I am reasonably sure it is not correct...

Bort Q&A's he defined "blitzing" as synonymous with pass rushing.


he stated anyone not on the LOS that is blitzing it would work with. wont work on DLine.

Wish AC was still around cuz i think he used to line my blitzing LB just off of the line to ensure it would work.
 
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Originally posted by ProfessionalKop
he stated anyone not on the LOS that is blitzing it would work with. wont work on DLine.

Wish AC was still around cuz i think he used to line my blitzing LB just off of the line to ensure it would work.


You are right.

Most DC's, and most likely including AC probably lined him up just barely behind the RDE for this exact reason.
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Originally posted by slughead42
If you go to add a SA to a DT, Blitz is one that is shown in the "Show only Recommended Abilities" list, and the description of it there doesn't mention CBs or any other specific position. Not even Bort would go to that length to get dotbuilders to invest in a worthless SA, methinks.


Anyone have the actual Bort quote on this? I've been looking through the SA bort quote archive thread, can't find it. Given what my quote is above, it would be pretty fucked up if it really doesn't work on DL/DE, but I guess there's a long laundry list of things that are fucked up about GLB, so...
 
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Well... raining for next several days so I guess I have time to go diggin into the ol' Q&A files.
 
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