Edited by Raid on Oct 26, 2021 09:21:42
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Originally posted by Cybertron
He is blitzing the QB. That is the activation condition.
It also activates after, during the run. I know it's a QB run, but should it really be activating when he's chasing the QB downfield?
He is blitzing the QB. That is the activation condition.
It also activates after, during the run. I know it's a QB run, but should it really be activating when he's chasing the QB downfield?
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Originally posted by ThePh33P
Realistically it shouldn't activate on running plays that are not draws
Silence, TV hater.
Realistically it shouldn't activate on running plays that are not draws
Silence, TV hater.
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Originally posted by ThePh33P
Realistically it shouldn't activate on running plays that are not draws
It shows to me he has no blitz awareness. Lineman are focusing on the pass rush and not having the awareness to see it is a run. That has always been the counter to tunnel vision. Otherwise tunnel vision would be the best sa in the game. Same as all sa usually have a weakness. Awareness knock is it's weakness. He can't pass that blitz awareness check so he can't stop blitzing and see the run
Realistically it shouldn't activate on running plays that are not draws
It shows to me he has no blitz awareness. Lineman are focusing on the pass rush and not having the awareness to see it is a run. That has always been the counter to tunnel vision. Otherwise tunnel vision would be the best sa in the game. Same as all sa usually have a weakness. Awareness knock is it's weakness. He can't pass that blitz awareness check so he can't stop blitzing and see the run
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Originally posted by Raid
It also activates after, during the run. I know it's a QB run, but should it really be activating when he's chasing the QB downfield?
Yes....because he is blitzing the QB, regardless of it is a run or not. Every play, a player either blitzes, plays man or zone.
It also activates after, during the run. I know it's a QB run, but should it really be activating when he's chasing the QB downfield?
Yes....because he is blitzing the QB, regardless of it is a run or not. Every play, a player either blitzes, plays man or zone.
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Originally posted by Cybertron
Yes....because he is blitzing the QB, regardless of it is a run or not. Every play, a player either blitzes, plays man or zone.
Once the QB has left the pocket everyone chases him, they are not blitzing. All because you are chasing the QB doesn't mean you are blitzing.
Technically in football the only people blitzing are the additional men sent on a normal down, DTs don't blitz, DEs don't blitz - but I get in this game the 'blitz' tag is applied to people who are going after the quarterback during a pass.
This is a bug where the game is continuing to let defensive linemen use the 'blitzing the QB' activation situation long after it's no longer a blitz. a QB spy would also be going after the QB right away but would never get to fire TV. They shouldn't be able to have it fire after they read run - or at the very least after the QB crosses LoS.
Yes....because he is blitzing the QB, regardless of it is a run or not. Every play, a player either blitzes, plays man or zone.
Once the QB has left the pocket everyone chases him, they are not blitzing. All because you are chasing the QB doesn't mean you are blitzing.
Technically in football the only people blitzing are the additional men sent on a normal down, DTs don't blitz, DEs don't blitz - but I get in this game the 'blitz' tag is applied to people who are going after the quarterback during a pass.
This is a bug where the game is continuing to let defensive linemen use the 'blitzing the QB' activation situation long after it's no longer a blitz. a QB spy would also be going after the QB right away but would never get to fire TV. They shouldn't be able to have it fire after they read run - or at the very least after the QB crosses LoS.
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Edited by Raid on Oct 26, 2021 07:50:25
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Originally posted by dredgar
It shows to me he has no blitz awareness. Lineman are focusing on the pass rush and not having the awareness to see it is a run. That has always been the counter to tunnel vision. Otherwise tunnel vision would be the best sa in the game. Same as all sa usually have a weakness. Awareness knock is it's weakness. He can't pass that blitz awareness check so he can't stop blitzing and see the run
its a max penalty of about 5100 sp
Compared to its avg bonuses of 41,000 SP in bonuses to the player
and its debuff value can be over 95,000 SP
a normal day for a 50 quickness 50 sprinting 60 tech 60 power with gold Tunnel vision vs a blocker with 75 Pass Block Tech
Results in a gold SP with the equivalent value of over 85,000 SP.
Its UNQUESTIONABLY the strongest SA in the game and no other SA's are even close in value. EOTP would probably be the next closest and it adds less than half the SP Value. Goal Line Blocker would get close if you had 95+ in run/pass block power and high toughness/balance/intimidation. and by close i mean greater than 50% value of TV
It shows to me he has no blitz awareness. Lineman are focusing on the pass rush and not having the awareness to see it is a run. That has always been the counter to tunnel vision. Otherwise tunnel vision would be the best sa in the game. Same as all sa usually have a weakness. Awareness knock is it's weakness. He can't pass that blitz awareness check so he can't stop blitzing and see the run
its a max penalty of about 5100 sp
Compared to its avg bonuses of 41,000 SP in bonuses to the player
and its debuff value can be over 95,000 SP
a normal day for a 50 quickness 50 sprinting 60 tech 60 power with gold Tunnel vision vs a blocker with 75 Pass Block Tech
Results in a gold SP with the equivalent value of over 85,000 SP.
Its UNQUESTIONABLY the strongest SA in the game and no other SA's are even close in value. EOTP would probably be the next closest and it adds less than half the SP Value. Goal Line Blocker would get close if you had 95+ in run/pass block power and high toughness/balance/intimidation. and by close i mean greater than 50% value of TV
Edited by ThePh33P on Oct 26, 2021 08:02:59
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i actually read the SA wrong and undersold TV its +12 instead of +10 lol. so same stuff except a little more
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Originally posted by Raid
Once the QB has left the pocket everyone chases him, they are not blitzing. All because you are chasing the QB doesn't mean you are blitzing.
Technically in football the only people blitzing are the additional men sent on a normal down, DTs don't blitz, DEs don't blitz - but I get in this game the 'blitz' tag is applied to people who are going after the quarterback during a pass.
This is a bug where the game is continuing to let defensive linemen use the 'blitzing the QB' activation situation long after it's no longer a blitz. a QB spy would also be going after the QB right away but would never get to fire TV. They shouldn't be able to have it fire after they read run - or at the very least after the QB crosses LoS.
I get that but that is not how the code works. The SA just says “blitzing the QB”. He is blitzing the entire play. Just like he would be playing zone the entire play.
Once the QB has left the pocket everyone chases him, they are not blitzing. All because you are chasing the QB doesn't mean you are blitzing.
Technically in football the only people blitzing are the additional men sent on a normal down, DTs don't blitz, DEs don't blitz - but I get in this game the 'blitz' tag is applied to people who are going after the quarterback during a pass.
This is a bug where the game is continuing to let defensive linemen use the 'blitzing the QB' activation situation long after it's no longer a blitz. a QB spy would also be going after the QB right away but would never get to fire TV. They shouldn't be able to have it fire after they read run - or at the very least after the QB crosses LoS.
I get that but that is not how the code works. The SA just says “blitzing the QB”. He is blitzing the entire play. Just like he would be playing zone the entire play.
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Originally posted by Cybertron
I get that but that is not how the code works. The SA just says “blitzing the QB”. He is blitzing the entire play. Just like he would be playing zone the entire play.
And therein lies the problem, the code can recognize when a QB turns into a runner for the purpose of turning off sacks and awarding tackles for loss instead - even on scrambles, it should also be able to turn off when a player is 'blitzing' and has changed to chasing down a runner once the QB becomes one, or once he recognizes the QB has become one.
I get that but that is not how the code works. The SA just says “blitzing the QB”. He is blitzing the entire play. Just like he would be playing zone the entire play.
And therein lies the problem, the code can recognize when a QB turns into a runner for the purpose of turning off sacks and awarding tackles for loss instead - even on scrambles, it should also be able to turn off when a player is 'blitzing' and has changed to chasing down a runner once the QB becomes one, or once he recognizes the QB has become one.
Edited by Raid on Oct 26, 2021 13:12:23
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Originally posted by ThePh33P
its a max penalty of about 5100 sp
Compared to its avg bonuses of 41,000 SP in bonuses to the player
and its debuff value can be over 95,000 SP
a normal day for a 50 quickness 50 sprinting 60 tech 60 power with gold Tunnel vision vs a blocker with 75 Pass Block Tech
Results in a gold SP with the equivalent value of over 85,000 SP.
Its UNQUESTIONABLY the strongest SA in the game and no other SA's are even close in value. EOTP would probably be the next closest and it adds less than half the SP Value. Goal Line Blocker would get close if you had 95+ in run/pass block power and high toughness/balance/intimidation. and by close i mean greater than 50% value of TV
If it was truly that strong I would see it on all d lineman and they should be destroying all tech based Oline. I don't see that all the time. It's a good SA but I don't see it as a game changer on a defense. That is just my opinion though, no hard facts from my side.
its a max penalty of about 5100 sp
Compared to its avg bonuses of 41,000 SP in bonuses to the player
and its debuff value can be over 95,000 SP
a normal day for a 50 quickness 50 sprinting 60 tech 60 power with gold Tunnel vision vs a blocker with 75 Pass Block Tech
Results in a gold SP with the equivalent value of over 85,000 SP.
Its UNQUESTIONABLY the strongest SA in the game and no other SA's are even close in value. EOTP would probably be the next closest and it adds less than half the SP Value. Goal Line Blocker would get close if you had 95+ in run/pass block power and high toughness/balance/intimidation. and by close i mean greater than 50% value of TV
If it was truly that strong I would see it on all d lineman and they should be destroying all tech based Oline. I don't see that all the time. It's a good SA but I don't see it as a game changer on a defense. That is just my opinion though, no hard facts from my side.
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