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The whole division lock for #1 and #2 seed is frustrating. Most leagues that I see the #1 seed is actually bracketed as the #3 seed as too often the wild card team is the team with the 2nd best record or whatever.

With dwindling team owners, I think it is time to adjust playoff seeding to go off of league record rather than automatically snagging a #2 seed by winning a division and not being the #1 seed.

Just make playoffs run off of league records and tiebreaker scenarios remaining the same.

Tis a good point.

Almost every league I've been in since returning week 14 is pretty anti-climatic. I'm actually "ok" with the division winners advancing even though the league I was in Gallic Legion 2 seasons ago , we had a 4 win team be the winner in Gamma, and last year Gamma was won by a 6 team league leaving alot of teams that probably were more deserving out in the cold - not just out in the cold - but undeservedly out in the cold (no it wasn't me check the 2 league titles). Reason I say I'm ok with it - both the owners who "won" a division with 4 or 6 teams rebooted later on but did stay playing GLB.

Tweak I would make though would be to change it to 6 teams in the post-season with the top two division winners getting byes. 3 Division Winners 3 Wild Cards. That would create a much much higher amount of potential movement late in the stretch. Not only are you playing for divisions but also at that point playoff seeding/homefield actually does something for you.

Pick Any League from the Drop Down adding that format creates better more meaningful matchups in week 14.
Surf League
Current Game's that Matter: None.
6 Team Playoff: 3 Teams are Still Alive for the postseason: 9th Planet, Super Smash, and Insomnia looking for 2 spots.

Sun League
Current Games that Matter: None* For any game to matter IF would need to lose to the Centurions who've beaten exactly 1 league opponent all season (made up of CPUs)
6 Team Playoff : Hades, Kentucky , SONS all still alive looking for the final post-season ticket and a date with the Cornhuskers or IF. So both winning and seeding matter.

Sand League
Current Games That Matter: 1 (To be sure Vikings Raiders will beat Wigglers) the real game is Scaremento vs. Dallas for Sacramento to get another crack at the farm
6 Team Playoff: 3 For practical purposes this advances both Sacramento and Huntsville though seeding matters. Dallas needs a win to hold onto a bye week. A Sacramento win gives them a chance to host round 1. Huntsville is in rather than on the outside looking in.

Palm League
Current Games the Matter: None
6 Team Playoff: 3 Ok not the best argument but 3 teams (2 CPU 1 Human Alive for 2nd wild card) - looking for 2 of 3 playoff spots .500 punches a dance ticket and a date with the Flying Kaze

Egg League
Current Games that Matter: None
6 Team Playoff: 1 One of those CPU teams (amusingly above some human owned ones) is getting a road date with the Cleveland Cowboys

Heart League
Current Games that Matter: None
6 Team Playoff : 2 Both the Jammers and Deadpool are in battling to see who gets a rematch on the road versus Deadman and who takes on Black Dragon.

Ice League
Current Games that Matter: None* Unless you believe Logzilla and Xars can lose to the CPU Miami Bulls in which case I have a bridge I'd like you to see
6 Team Playoff: Still None except for that bridge thing x2. iLogic is in but on the road. Airborne is in but very on the road getting a rubber match against Ron Swanson (they split the season series 1-1). Doesn't make it necesarily more exciting does set up some better matchups/more worth re-matches.

Oak League
Current Games that Matter: None*. Unlesss you think Lexington loses to the Tigers. (Yeah we are back to the bridge thing)
6 Team Playoff: 4 , Vipers , Rampage, Yeti Monsters, and Dream Team all alive and looking for 2 spots the final week.

Ghost League
Current Games that Matter: 2 - Yeah Week 14 games against non-CPU that matters Plainville and Columbus Red Lizards going for Alpha title
6 Team Playoff Games that Matter: 2 Alpha Title still matters , Grape Apes are in. Loser of the tiebreaker for Alpha Division becomes likely home wildcard team.

A suggestion I was going to make based off the 'playoffs for all' is, since everyone would have a rank after the playoffs (1 to 12), reseed the divisions next season using these ranks:

Alpha - 1st place, 4th, 7th, 10th
Beta - 2nd place, 5th, 8th, 11th
Gamma - 3rd place, 6th, 9th, 12th

Last season Waterboys were the 4th best team in their league but didn't make the playoffs (nor will ever make the playoffs) because they're in a division behind BSB & NW Mix.

Not only will 'playoffs for all' give teams like the Waterboys something to look forward to (playing for ranking if not the championship) but it will also help Detroit Leo's frustration with playoff seeding.

Originally posted by Detroit Leos
Just make playoffs run off of league records and tiebreaker scenarios remaining the same.
The only issue with that is a division like ours in the Ghost League where having BSB and NW Mix in the same division means your record will automatically be worse because you play teams in your own division twice. Versus the Alpha division (no offense) where they don't have one of the dominant three teams in the league (Gwilice being the other team).

With reseeding teams after the season you'll spread out the wealth and basically alleviate your issue.

Divisions are there for a reason though, just like with real football. In really tough divisions you may have four good teams, and the division winner could end up with the #4 seed in this scenario. Other divisions with weak teams could put a lesser team at #1 or #2.

Would rather just have homefield weather, so seedings actually mattered more.

Originally posted by BoDiddley
Divisions are there for a reason though, just like with real football. In really tough divisions you may have four good teams, and the division winner could end up with the #4 seed in this scenario. Other divisions with weak teams could put a lesser team at #1 or #2.
In real football there's only one league. Lower seeded teams get higher draft picks and vice versa for higher seeded teams. You can trade players. So, there's more of a chance to improve your team.

In GLB you're pretty well stuck with the builds you make at the beginning and then you have to ride it out through Vet or restart from Rookie every few seasons.

So, this isn't real football. This is a game where the goal is to have a fun, competitive environment that makes people want to come back and enjoy playing. Not be met with continuous frustration.

To do that we have to keep the core principles of football but have room to think outside the box to increase entertainment value. Because in real football they don't have the flexibility to do what we can do in the game.

Originally posted by Ace of Spades 7

In real football there's only one league. Lower seeded teams get higher draft picks and vice versa for higher seeded teams. You can trade players. So, there's more of a chance to improve your team.

In GLB you're pretty well stuck with the builds you make at the beginning and then you have to ride it out through Vet or restart from Rookie every few seasons.

So, this isn't real football. This is a game where the goal is to have a fun, competitive environment that makes people want to come back and enjoy playing. Not be met with continuous frustration.

To do that we have to keep the core principles of football but have room to think outside the box to increase entertainment value. Because in real football they don't have the flexibility to do what we can do in the game.


Not sure what player trades or draft picks have to do with playoff seeding. None of this changes the fact that a highly competitive division gets penalized if you take away divisional seeding. Especially when the Devs love to stack one division with the better teams. Meanwhile a decent team in a bad division can skate to the #1 seed.

I've seen so many different league playoff scenarios play out over the years, all this will do is frustrate those caught in deep divisions. And they'll have to ride it out til Vet in a worse situation because Devs rarely move you out of a division.

Originally posted by BoDiddley
Not sure what player trades or draft picks have to do with playoff seeding. None of this changes the fact that a highly competitive division gets penalized if you take away divisional seeding. Especially when the Devs love to stack one division with the better teams. Meanwhile a decent team in a bad division can skate to the #1 seed.

I've seen so many different league playoff scenarios play out over the years, all this will do is frustrate those caught in deep divisions. And they'll have to ride it out til Vet in a worse situation because Devs rarely move you out of a division.


I think the point is that "IRL" a team like the Waterboys (in the example above) may improve, while the teams above them may get worse, via trades/draft etc. In GLB that doesn't happen, so there is little chance for the Waterboys to be anything other than the 3rd or 4th best team in their division, on account of being put in a division with two heavyweights.

Originally posted by bmg_3

I think the point is that "IRL" a team like the Waterboys (in the example above) may improve, while the teams above them may get worse, via trades/draft etc. In GLB that doesn't happen, so there is little chance for the Waterboys to be anything other than the 3rd or 4th best team in their division, on account of being put in a division with two heavyweights.


Only 4 teams make the playoffs though, so no matter what you need to be at least the #2 in your division regardless. Not only that, but I had Practice Squad in that very same division during rookie until I turned them into the Goolies, and Cinematic Garden was in it too. Four good teams put in one division, it happens. I'm just trying to see what actual benefit league seeding brings. Because again, deep divisions get screwed in this scenario

Aren't deep divisions inherently screwed regardless?

I’m ok with shuffling teams amongst divisions (not leagues though) and adding the home field advantage weather thing.

That being said, I do love my current division....toughest on GLB history

Originally posted by BoDiddley
Not sure what player trades or draft picks have to do with playoff seeding.
I'm only saying, in real football teams have more of a chance to get better but in GLB you're pretty well stuck with the builds you create in Rookie.

Originally posted by BoDiddley
None of this changes the fact that a highly competitive division gets penalized if you take away divisional seeding.
This may be a misunderstanding. Reseeding divisions after every season doesn't take away divisional seeding for playoffs. It enhances it.
By spreading the good teams through the divisions you'll basically always have the top four teams in a league in the playoffs and have the fourth team be a legitimate wild card.

Originally posted by ellix
Aren't deep divisions inherently screwed regardless?

The bottom two teams are. But the division winner can at least get a #3 seed. With league record seeding many times they can easily get screwed

Originally posted by Ace of Spades 7

This may be a misunderstanding. Reseeding divisions after every season doesn't take away divisional seeding for playoffs. It enhances it.
By spreading the good teams through the divisions you'll basically always have the top four teams in a league in the playoffs and have the fourth team be a legitimate wild card.
I'm only speaking about Playoff Seeding. I have zero problem with reseeding divisions after the season, GLB1 does that I think. I've had to deal with Southside since rookie, and then the Viper who had won the other league got thrown in our division lol, so would be in favor of it. I'm talking solely about using league record for seeding the playoffs, which I think is problematic.

I think the main reason, at the beginning when there were many more teams, that people didn't want to shuffle the divisions after the season was because of losing rivalries. But if you keep all the teams in the same league, you will still play a rivalry team at least once.