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ANumber1Roy
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What level is best to shop for 5% +3 attribute pieces when shopping? 9 years ago I remember it being level 40 dot so has it changed to higher level or remained the same?
 
Theo Wizzago
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Hope this helps.

https://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=5252795&page=1#49305013

Also, you can start shopping anytime but you don't get 4 pieces per refresh until level 31 which most consider the lowest level to start from. After that every 10 levels add one more piece per refresh. Quick chart;

Level 31-40 = 4 pieces of Aeq per refresh (which costs 3 BT's).
Level 41-50 = 5 pieces.
Level 51-60 = 6 pieces.
Level 61-70 = 7 pieces.
Level 71 and beyond = 8 pieces.

The general thinking is the more pieces you have to choose from the better your chances for a good or even great piece. Personally, after many, many, many years of shopping in just about every which way I have found that seems untrue and that the possibility of a great or good piece is likely a % calculation per refresh rather than per piece. If a single refresh gives you a 5% shot at a +3 main skill and 5% bonus to an awesome desired tactic (like 5% Hold Block for an O-lineman) that does not seem to change according to more or less available pieces to choose from. If it was tied directly to the number of pieces then waiting until level 71 would show a WAY higher percentage of those high quality pieces with far less refreshes needed. Knowing that has me usually start looking at AEQ at level 31 with personal 'guide' to keep me on target and on track to finish with 4 fully filled AEQ almost every time.
 
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That's exactly what I needed. Thanks Theo
 
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Keep in mind, too, if you roll at Level 40, it's 4 pieces per roll, but at Level 41 (1 level higher) it's 5 pieces per roll. So if you're Level 40, wait 1 more level.

Unless, of course, you subscribe to Theo's theory. I don't, but there is still an advantage to starting earlier: if you roll 1 or 2 great pieces early, you can build your remaining pieces, do the math on how many BTs you'll need to finish your AEQ, and calculate DOWN TO THE LAST DAY how long you can keep multi-training for max gains before you have to switch to light training for BTs.
 
Theo Wizzago
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Not totally a theory, Novus ol' friend. I've never published the percentages but the difference between shopping at 31-40 and 71+ is so small as to be almost nonexistent. It's illusionary when you see 8 pieces and think, "Of course I get more options". The number of pieces shown at each (shopping) level might change but everything I've ever seen so far shows me that each 'refresh' comes with a % possibility of quality. I see more stand alone good pieces (like a +3 skill with no bonus attached or a 5% or high SA piece with no + skill attached) than I do perfect pieces (+3 to primary and 5% bonus or top quality SA). I also think, based on the stats over the years, that GLB's idea of ranking pieces differs from what WE consider valuable. Example; The number of +2 skill and +3% pieces happens around 20% of the time regardless of how many pieces generated. But (when rolling for a DT) GLB (seems to) assign no difference between a +2 throwing & 3% Make Tackle piece and a +2 strength & 3% break block piece. I believe that, to the piece generator, there's no difference. Both are simply +2 & 3%... whatever skills or bonus is attached.

The difference between having 8 pieces per refresh and 4 pieces per refresh is the number of pieces. The % chance of the quality of any one piece in that refresh is roughly the same. At 8 pieces per refresh it's about 6%. At 4 pieces it's about 5%.
I tend to limit how many time I refresh both in the time I shop and the amount of of times I shop per (shopping) level. I also have a limit as to how many total times I will shop for 3 pieces. Mostly it's like this;
3 BT's per refresh
4 refreshes per shopping trip =12 BT's spent
12 BT's is exactly how many you get every time your 4-way multi-training rolls over so you are never reducing your BT bank.
I never shop at any level more than 3 times (level being the shopping level = 4 pieces, 5 pieces, 6 pieces, ect, ect...)
If I shop 3 times at 31-40 and get nothing then I drop down to 2 times at 41-50. At that point I'm getting close to my limit.
My limit is 75 BT's per AEQ piece (not counting any BT's spent on BUYING a piece... just BT's spent on shopping). That totals to 300 BT's, just for refreshing the shop. I've never spent 300 BT's shopping... never had to.

Biggest rule is to not get frustrated... stick to the plan... and be willing to settle for less than absolute perfect. If I have a speed WR and I get a +3 Agility & 5%Catch Ball piece?... I get it. This does mean I spent my one 'non-primary skill bonus' piece so I can't do that twice. More than anything I get +3 primary pieces or just 5% or high SA tree pieces then add in whatever Bonus or Skill I want.You still save a LOT of BT's.

I almost NEVER shop for all 4 pieces because it's super hard to find a piece that you haven't already got (talking locational... body, head, hands, feet) and it costs BT's to swap pieces (15, I'm pretty sure). That might sound trivial but the whole idea of shopping is to save BT's so I'm loath to anything that costs me BT's. It's easier just to build the 4th piece. In fact, you can get 3 pieces and simply wait until the very end so you can be SURE you have enough BT's to do it all. A nice trick for those who aren't motivated or inclined to do all the math you need to nail it every time.
Edited by Theo Wizzago on Apr 12, 2021 18:51:05
 
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I'm of the mindset to multitrain longer so I would accept less than optimal aeq pieces to avoid high BT prices. That's just my thinking.
 
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I like the idea of getting first piece early on at 31 since I should have some BTs stashed by then.
 
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It's hard to tell people how much success I've had doing it the way I've learned over the many seasons but I literally do get 4 AEQ almost every time... and totally filled (again, almost always)... without mucking up the build. Here's my basic plan of attack:

Level 31. I must have a minimum of 137 BT's saved. Usually this is NEVER an issue. Why 137? Because the max cost to build one piece of AEQ is 125. You can build for less, of course, but 125 is the most you will pay (50 bt's for the +3 skill and 75 bt's for the bonus or high SA).
I shop up to 4 times. If I get a good piece I buy it. Then I reset the counter for the next try where I want 187 BT's now (125+12+50 more). I like to keep building up the bank as I go just in case I need to stop shopping and build instead. TBPH there are certain dots that are much easier to shop for than others. Some times the shop doesn't match up well with special builds so you're generally looking for good +3 to primary only... or, if lucky, you actually get a bonus that you have to have. More often than not you'll have to build the last two pieces. Power build WR's are one... RQB's build like PHB's are another... and so on. O-line and D-line are generally easy to shop for.
If I don't get a piece with the 1st 4 refreshes I wait to reach level 35 (half way) before trying again. Now my bank is built up more. I'll try up to 4 more times. If successful then I'll try again after my BT bank has regained what is just lost (cost of shopping and cost of AEQ piece). If not successful then I aim for level 41 next.
If I get to level 41 and shop 4 more times and haven't gotten a piece by now... then I'm thinking the deck is stacked against this particular dot and I need to regroup. I've already spent 36 BT's and gotten nothing. Now if I shop 4 more times and if I get a piece, great. Back to normal again. If not I'll likely wait until level 51 now and THEN if I don't get one then I start planing on building all the pieces. Comes a time when you just need to stop throwing money (BT's) at it if it's not cooperating and settle for a 3 AEQ if you cannot get 4. Otherwise I just repeat the process.
If I do get an AEQ at level 31 then I keep shopping... making sure I grow the BT bank along the way. I keep track of any special needs. Example; 1st AEQ piece I get for my O-lineman is a 5% hold block. Beautiful... but I'll need 50 BT's to add on the +3 Strength to it so I won't shop again until I have 125+50+12 BT's. 125 to build if I must... 50 to pay for the +3 strength add on... and 12 to shop (refresh) 4 times with.
It's just logical thinking is all. There's no hurry to get all 4 pieces but it's good to get them before you hit AGE 175. That's about the time you really need to know how long you need to 'Light Train for BT's' to finish off all your AEQ. Generally speaking I usually have all my AEQ before I hit level 50 for sure... usually sometime in the 40 level range. That's plenty of time to figure out BT's and training.
Edited by Theo Wizzago on Apr 13, 2021 02:32:41
Edited by Theo Wizzago on Apr 13, 2021 02:24:07
 
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How bout those early stand alone SA's?
18-75 FP to add to standard,+15FP if already suited.
 
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My shopping strategy is almost exactly like Theo's. I agree 100% with shopping early. The main difference is I rarely compromise on what I want. But then again I'm usually not trying to get 4 pieces.
 
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Whether you shop early or late, the biggest mistake (I know... I've done it way too many times) is to simply not keep track of your BT's. Especially when it comes to how many times you 'refresh' for a piece. At 3 BT's per refresh it seems innocuous but it adds up real quick. You can 'refresh' 10 times and spend 30 bt's, per piece, easy. And it's hard to think that 'refresh cost' + cost of piece purchase can quickly surpass the savings you thought you should get. 125 BT's is the most expensive piece you can build so anytime you can get a top quality piece like that for 1/2 price, awesome. But keep track of how many times you are 'refreshing' or you could end up spending more than it would cost to build the piece.
 
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Originally posted by shepsterbird
How bout those early stand alone SA's?
18-75 FP to add to standard,+15FP if already suited.


I think you can make an argument for the end of the SA Tree ones (spin, protector, pancake to name a few). If the price is right, early, they can be a good value and save some SP's since they cost more at the end of the SA trees. Protector is one I always seem to roll early with my left tackles and always grab it. That way I don't spend a ton of SP getting it up to 9 or 10 or more importantly, not wasting SP's on the un-needed prerequisites like the Absorb pain SA. By rolling an buying protector for my left OT's, I save a ton of SP's there that I can use in more useful areas.
 
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Originally posted by sunder B
I think you can make an argument for the end of the SA Tree ones (spin, protector, pancake to name a few). If the price is right, early, they can be a good value and save some SP's since they cost more at the end of the SA trees. Protector is one I always seem to roll early with my left tackles and always grab it. That way I don't spend a ton of SP getting it up to 9 or 10 or more importantly, not wasting SP's on the un-needed prerequisites like the Absorb pain SA. By rolling an buying protector for my left OT's, I save a ton of SP's there that I can use in more useful areas.


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