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Why would a returner try to return a punt from the 2 yard line, rather than letting it bounce into the end zone??? Would greater Return Awareness or something help prevent such stupidity?

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it from the punting change. That punt wasn't going to go into the end zone. punter most likely has high hands so it could of stop at the 1 and been downed

I haven't seen one been downed but if its going to go into the end zone they don't catch it from what i've seen since that punting change

And exactly HOW does a returner know which way the ball's going to bounce when it's in the air? That's just ridiculous.

Originally posted by atlbruce
And exactly HOW does a returner know which way the ball's going to bounce when it's in the air? That's just ridiculous.

The same way defensive players were buffed to know where the ballcarrier is going to run.

Originally posted by atlbruce
And exactly HOW does a returner know which way the ball's going to bounce when it's in the air? That's just ridiculous.

Yeah, lots of times things are done just to make them work rather than simulate how they would normally happen. Having the returner know where a bounce was going to happen let them coral low kicks before rather easily - when they had been getting past returners before and causing issue since a bad kick shouldn't net a better result than a good one. But now those psychic abilities are giving them some advanced benefits.

That being said, I think programming a whole new type of awareness and having them 'guess' where it's going to bounce would be problematic in and of itself.

I guess you could give kickoffs very easy to predict bounce patterns so that they wouldn't be a problem while letting punts do their thing.

Originally posted by atlbruce
Why would a returner try to return a punt from the 2 yard line, rather than letting it bounce into the end zone??? Would greater Return Awareness or something help prevent such stupidity?

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Here I can give you a really logical answer, return awareness.......

Originally posted by Raid
Yeah, lots of times things are done just to make them work rather than simulate how they would normally happen. Having the returner know where a bounce was going to happen let them coral low kicks before rather easily - when they had been getting past returners before and causing issue since a bad kick shouldn't net a better result than a good one. But now those psychic abilities are giving them some advanced benefits.

That being said, I think programming a whole new type of awareness and having them 'guess' where it's going to bounce would be problematic in and of itself.

I guess you could give kickoffs very easy to predict bounce patterns so that they wouldn't be a problem while letting punts do their thing.

Eh... maybe just a simple return awareness check for balls that would not go in to the end zone that are close. Failed return awareness check=ball goes out of bounds and offense may not have any breathing room. Pass the return awareness check and he returns the ball at least a few yards up field if not more depending on other skills.

Does it work like the real world? Absolutely not. However, people need to stop comparing every mechanic in this sim to real football.

Maybe give a really strong SA to returners too that fires off of return awareness. It would have to be something stupid strong to offset regular position SAs for people, or get people to have return specialists on their team instead of just tossing the starting HB back there.

Originally posted by Detroit Leos


Does it work like the real world? Absolutely not. However, people need to stop comparing every mechanic in this sim to real football.

Maybe give a really strong SA to returners too that fires off of return awareness. It would have to be something stupid strong to offset regular position SAs for people, or get people to have return specialists on their team instead of just tossing the starting HB back there.

If that's the case why not pass out the maces and morning stars and call it Mortal Kombat Ball? Then again someone has Mongo the DT returning kicks so maybe it is mortal kombat.

- Actually return awareness would seem to be a relatively easy item to buff and impact the game in a positive way - just change what's used for in the kicking game. Right now the description is the ability to see defenders and find rushing lanes.

Fielding a punt is hard, fielding a punt with 10 guys running full speed at you is even harder. Even NFL players who do it professionally routinely mishandle the ball coming in. Change it to:

The Ability to field a punt or kickoff cleanly and instantly start running as well as the awareness to judge when to field the punt. A high enough roll and score let's you field cleanly and on the run (while already in motion) normal roll you field it but at a stop, bad roll the ball is shooting through your arms or going over your head.

Most every punt returner won't field a punt inside the 10 or return a kick 5 yards deep - seems like a simple awareness check to do so regardless of how the ball will bounce.

Plus fielding a punt - I can live with a muffed punt or two if someone doesn't invest in return awareness, have most of them drop at the feet of the returner - an occassional one bounce around.

I get that fielding the ball inside the 10 is a no go. However, when they do it here it is actually for the betterment of the fielding team since it only occurs when the bounce would favor the punting team. That mechanic is unlikely to change. In your scenario, a passed awareness check that leads to letting the ball go would hurt the fielding team unlike real life.

I do like the idea of a chance to drop the ball when fielding though. Could tie that into return awareness or just make a separate skill for fielding hands.

Anything to force people to make return specialist players would shake up the roster dynamic a bit. The changes would have to be significant though.

Originally posted by Detroit Leos

I do like the idea of a chance to drop the ball when fielding though. Could tie that into return awareness or just make a separate skill for fielding hands.

Anything to force people to make return specialist players would shake up the roster dynamic a bit. The changes would have to be significant though.

Yep, because there's nothing special about special teams in this game. At best, a returner will take one to the house. No blocked kicks, no blocked punts, no muffed kicks, no muffed punts, no trick plays...

For example, why is this NT running to buy nachos rather than blocking the FG???

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Originally posted by Detroit Leos
I get that fielding the ball inside the 10 is a no go. However, when they do it here it is actually for the betterment of the fielding team since it only occurs when the bounce would favor the punting team. That mechanic is unlikely to change. In your scenario, a passed awareness check that leads to letting the ball go would hurt the fielding team unlike real life.

I do like the idea of a chance to drop the ball when fielding though. Could tie that into return awareness or just make a separate skill for fielding hands.

Anything to force people to make return specialist players would shake up the roster dynamic a bit. The changes would have to be significant though.

100% there.

Originally posted by william78
Then again someone has Mongo the DT returning kicks so maybe it is mortal kombat.



He's doing damned fine at it, for being an unboosted DT.

Originally posted by atlbruce
Yep, because there's nothing special about special teams in this game. At best, a returner will take one to the house. No blocked kicks, no blocked punts, no muffed kicks, no muffed punts, no trick plays...

Yep...really wish they would fix special teams. There should be blocks.

Originally posted by atlbruce
Why would a returner try to return a punt from the 2 yard line, rather than letting it bounce into the end zone??? Would greater Return Awareness or something help prevent such stupidity?
https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/770903/1262462
Returners have 100% awareness of how and where the ball will bounce. That's why we've seen them running to a weird spot on the field only to then see the ball bounce exactly to where they're running.

So, if the returner fields it, it was because it was NOT going to bounce in to the end zone.