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Rational conversation with a covid cultist is not possible. The statistics rip your entire cult apart. And I like the way that people like novus accuses other people of precisely what they are guilty of - ie. attempting to get everyone to behave the way that they do. I quite frankly do not care if you wear a face nappy or not, in fact the sore poor little throat you're bitching about is very likely caused by your mask wearing hysteria, and the subsequent rebreathing of mould colonies that have developed in your mask.

Do what you like, I actually hope the hysterical covid cultists continue to make yourselves look like the impressionable, gullible, low IQ media worshipers that you are - it means I do not have to waste my time with people like you.

Please get the vaccine by the way if you're a pro face-nappy wearer, as soon as possible and as often as possible. Cheers

Originally posted by utvols
Seeing that many of us have lost friends or family to this, my question is...Is he just an ignorant, crass troll or a true sociopathic asshole?

I'm yet to meet one person who has known someone who died of covid. Doctors all over the world have admitted misallocation of deaths to this boogieman virus, despite genuinely dying of serious underlying health conditions. Oh, and flu isn't a thing anymore - so why not celebrate the eradication of one of the world's greatest blights and killers? It literally disappeared overnight and flatlined in october 2020 globally.

Oh, and why not celebrate our major reduction of pneumonia, dementia, respiratory illness among others globally?

Because, I have a little fact for you here. In 2020, the global death rate of all causes was 7.162 people per thousand. More or less the same, albeit slightly higher than the previous 4 years, and the lowest ever death rate in recorded history of any year prior to 2016.

What does that tell you?

Muh....

Yeah, tbh Norse, I'm not any of those things you said, and yet you still sound pretty silly. And by "pretty silly" I mean either willfully ignorant, or an emotionless zombie who enjoys being an asshole. Either way, I do support your right to spew what you wish, and typically enjoy your banter, just not in this case. Not that it matters. Cheers.

Originally posted by Norse
Rational conversation with a covid cultist is not possible. The statistics rip your entire cult apart.

Do what you like, I actually hope the hysterical covid cultists continue to make yourselves look like the impressionable, gullible, low IQ media worshipers that you are - it means I do not have to waste my time with people like you.

I wouldn't call myself a media worshiper, I'm skeptical if anything. I always cross-check so I know the research supports the story. All the science I've read supports wearing masks, but you called me out for unintentionally referencing pseudoscience.
This is my second request for rational conversation. Please share links to better sources that will help me see the true science, and statistics to help me align with your superior understanding of the situation at hand.

After seeing the title of this thread I figured Norse would show up at some point... gross

I think somebody has their tin foil hat on a little too tight.

Norse keeps mentioning that he doesn't know anyone who's died from COVID, so therefore COVID deaths must be fake.

He also keeps talking up how deadly influenza has been historically.

Well, I don't know anyone who has died from influenza. Guess that means all flu deaths are fake too, if we're going by Norse's standard. That, of course, is a logical fallacy, as is Norse's assertion, but Norse doesn't want you to think about that. He just wants to be glib and insulting in a futile attempt to sound intelligent.

I'll rebut his death statistics claim later, but I'll need to do a little research first. In the meantime, I welcome Norse to post the source for his stat if he wants to show he's not just pulling that number out of his arse.

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Remember, people like Norse just don't want to wear masks, but they need the "security" of other people not wearing masks too. He'll say whatever he has to say to achieve his selfish goal.

Slightly off topic and rambling...The benefits of being old sorta liked/tolerated and aided by some booxe and smoke !!!

I work in a dusty enclosed area of about 60 square feet with about 20 others, Since being told to Ive worn a mask every second Im on the premises. There are over 100 total employees throughout. Ive not seen anyone else wearing a mask unless the heailth authorities are on site... I guess half the employees have either caught covid or similar symptons... Most of the other half took advantage of the free 10 day quarantine policy... I know cos I been working my arse off !!!......I understand that the mask may help prevent others from me and in my situation at work only serves to make me sweat specs mist up and have lots of litlte beads of water migrating out of the top of my bald head but I wear it cos

1) Work told me to and so I comply

2) I dont want to infect anyone but in particular my wifes parents. The fact that I MIGHT is the reason we have limited and safe contact

COVID in general.....Politicized from the start by media politicians specialists non specialists......People in general resorted to the hysterical approach which has always been out go to in the past and actually we are pretty good at it.....And people...real people ....have died in their millions......My soul aches that no matter what life they had or even what caused their death they are now heralded as a number and that is so sad whether I knew them or not

Last I read there were 5 mutations to the original strain some with 14 different genetic match DNA....including the West Coast and Sth Africa variants

There will come a point where the effect of the vaccine will be reduced and new vaccines will be reqd.....As this was purported to be a LIVE Virus is there not a chance that the vaccine itself could mutate.....Now its 2 masks..No face shields...Most of the mink farms have been eradicated or culled but in what others areas is Covid slipping beneath the radar ???

My biggest problem with COVID is its people driven but affects peoples lives. Whether in lockdown or having to use restricted methods or equipmet its generally kicking the worlds arse mask or unmasked !!!!

Alright, I looked around a little bit for Norse's global death-rate statistic but didn't see the number he's talking about mentioned anywhere. Guess Norse will just have to post his source.

In the meantime, here's my sources:

https://www.kbtx.com/2021/02/05/covid-in-context-calculating-excess-deaths-during-the-pandemic-compared-to-previous-years/
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
https://www.reuters.com/article/healthcoronavirus-eu-mortality/eu-reports-nearly-300000-excess-deaths-in-8-months-of-2020-idINL8N2JV2VT
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55631693
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-covid-19-death-toll-is-even-worse-than-it-looks-11610636840

Basically, if you look at the total number of people who died in 2020, it's significantly higher than what would have been expected for that year. That's true for the USA, for the Euro Zone, for the UK, and globally. In the UK, it's the highest excess death rate since World War II.

So, what's causing all these extra deaths? In the absence of any other mass-casualty events or large outbreaks of armed conflict in 2020, the only remaining explanation is the global pandemic of COVID-19, either directly or indirectly killing large numbers of people who would have otherwise still been alive at the end of 2020.

Now, Norse *is* correct in pointing out that there are inaccuracies in the total number of COVID-19 deaths worldwide, but as he often does, he's only telling the part of the story that's convenient for his selfish desire to not have to wear a mask. Some hospitals and governments want a higher death total for various and sundry funding reasons, so if a person has COVID-19 at the time that they die of something else (a car crash, for example, just to think of one specific case I read about months ago), their cause of death gets listed as COVID-19. Just because you died *with* COVID-19 doesn't mean you died *from* COVID-19.

However, many hospitals and governments want a LOWER death total for various political and statistical reasons, and will latch onto any possible alternate cause of death they can in order to avoid counting a death as being from COVID-19. That improperly skews the numbers in the *other* direction.

https://www.statnews.com/2021/01/25/undercounting-covid-19-deaths-greatest-in-pro-trump-areas-analysis-shows/

If Norse cared about the true numbers, he'd take *all* inaccuracies into account, not just the ones that fit his selfish narrative. But Norse doesn't care about the true numbers. All he cares about is that he doesn't want to wear a mask.

Remember... people like Norse were telling you last April that COVID-19 would be gone by now. People like Norse were wrong. Don't listen to them.

zz man, I loved your post! I definitely agree that COVID-19 has been politicized and over-sensationalized. And yet even after you strip that away, you're still left with a global pandemic that has sickened and killed millions and that continues to spread and mutate around the world. Your approach is far healthier than Norse's... be skeptical of what you're told, but also be ready to accept the reality that, while the situation isn't quite as dire as some would have you believe, it's still pretty damn dire. Looks like you have a pretty good grasp of reality. Thank you.

To use a metaphor, if the National Hurricane Center predicts your city is going to be struck by a 175-mph hurricane in two days, but the hurricane weakens a bit and makes landfall as a 140-mph hurricane instead, does that mean there was no hurricane at all? Norse wants us all to think so, but the fact remains that 140-mph winds will still break a lot of shit, and you should still board up your windows before the storm hits.

I'm very heartened by the apparent reality that Norse is part of an ever-shrinking selfish minority in the world. The response to this thread is evidence of that for sure. Thank you all.

Originally posted by Norse
I'm yet to meet one person who has known someone who died of covid.

Stop by my place to introduce yourself. Afterward, this statement will no longer be true.

Tuff kids on both sides of the Atlantic.

Originally posted by Backes-to-Backes
Tuff kids on both sides of the Atlantic.

I've tried politeness. Politeness in the face of aggressive stupidity simply leads to more aggressive stupidity.

Originally posted by Novus
zz man, I loved your post! I definitely agree that COVID-19 has been politicized and over-sensationalized. And yet even after you strip that away, you're still left with a global pandemic that has sickened and killed millions and that continues to spread and mutate around the world. Your approach is far healthier than Norse's... be skeptical of what you're told, but also be ready to accept the reality that, while the situation isn't quite as dire as some would have you believe, it's still pretty damn dire. Looks like you have a pretty good grasp of reality. Thank you.

To use a metaphor, if the National Hurricane Center predicts your city is going to be struck by a 175-mph hurricane in two days, but the hurricane weakens a bit and makes landfall as a 140-mph hurricane instead, does that mean there was no hurricane at all? Norse wants us all to think so, but the fact remains that 140-mph winds will still break a lot of shit, and you should still board up your windows before the storm hits.

I'm very heartened by the apparent reality that Norse is part of an ever-shrinking selfish minority in the world. The response to this thread is evidence of that for sure. Thank you all.



Similarly at this time last year I think most people thought..."Sounds bad but some-one will find a cure....By Fall..."We will ride it out . It wonrt be long.....By Winter....." Isolate and kill it. Prevent spread"......

I think reality says that COVID (or similar) will be a part of all our lives for years to come. It will remain a major part of our families concerns. En masse the use of the mask and some form of isolation or separation is probably the most an individual can do to afford SOME protection. I believe we have a responsibility to each other to work together to fight covid but at the same time I sort of understand the "Dont take my freedom away" brigade so I expect the next few years to be controversial scary and full of true and false information.

PS Im definitely not a Liberal politically but when it comes to the livelyhood of me and my friends and family I have to do what I think best as a supposedly rational semi-intelligent adult ( although I cant produce any links to back up that statement !!)

COVID has made me realise How much I hate and love people and Im not sure if thats good or bad !!!

To all of you out there in GLB land...We are part of what we have. Protect it and Stay Safe

zz, all of my conservative friends think I'm a liberal, and all of my liberal friends think I'm a conservative. Probably says more about them then it does about me.

It's sad that this has somehow become politicized, but I think a lot of it comes down to population density. In big dense cities, the virus can spread far more rapidly and can very quickly overrun hospital capacity, like in L.A. recently. In suburban and rural areas where the population isn't as dense, the "fire" smolders a bit more... still just as dangerous and still burns as much, but it takes more time to get there -- and as a result, never feels like a crisis to people in those areas. But we have so damn little empathy anymore... city folk don't understand why country folk are so relaxed about the virus, and country folk don't understand why city folk are so up in arms about it. And city folk tend to be more liberal while country folk tend to be more conservative, so the recipe is there for this to become a left-right thing.

Let them swap locations, and they'd get it better, I think.

Most of my relatives are conservative. The relatives in rural areas think this is all a bunch of hooey. The relatives in urban areas are very worried about the virus -- even the conservative ones. Makes ya think.