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Suggestion- Revamp MVP Race Leaderboard

Since TD's Prove nothing compared to the amount of yards per game and per Carry.

Since if the team passes and then right before the Touchdown line and run with a HB it gets counted as higher position compared to More 1st downs and yards per carry or game rec.

Let me give an example of a league/Tier.

Zombie League
Rookie

Just incase it updates- https://gyazo.com/d9e1ac2d0b8d46281194ea821218c3a6

Full Rushing Stats- https://gyazo.com/e1fcb96a5dd96d36566cf992f8c928e1

https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/league/327

My question to Everyone who see this post to back up my Point who is the best HB in Rookie Zombie right now as of 12/2/2020

In my Eyes its King Kenney
Highest AVG for a HB
Most yards
Most yards per game
less Rushes then RUN 4 YOUR LIVEZ who is in first right now
less carries then Run 4 YOUR Livez who is in first right now

Broken tackles count for too much, IMO.. it should be total yards, then TDs, then Broken Tackles

Yards Per Carry should prob count the lowest since it'd be easiest to maniuplate.

Its the other way around since as long as you are the only HB rushing and your a full rushing team it does not show whos the better HB that is why i think the AVG is the most important thing and Broken tackles don't count for much its always

seems to be TD's mean the most which is silly since TDs does not explain how good a HB is

Originally posted by mkeane2
Its the other way around since as long as you are the only HB rushing and your a full rushing team it does not show whos the better HB that is why i think the AVG is the most important thing and Broken tackles don't count for much its always

seems to be TD's mean the most which is silly since TDs does not explain how good a HB is


I get that, but TD's are important regardless, its what wins games. YPC or and completion % for QB's are easy to manipulate because you can have a guy just do a couple carries in one game, have a high average, then sit him... same with pass attempts (I've seen this happen in league). To factor these the way you want, you'd have to require a minimum amount of attempts/carries. Outside of TDs, total yards should be the biggest determining factor for any offensive position outside of line and kicker.

Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
I get that, but TD's are important regardless, its what wins games. YPC or and completion % for QB's are easy to manipulate because you can have a guy just do a couple carries in one game, have a high average, then sit him... same with pass attempts (I've seen this happen in league). To factor these the way you want, you'd have to require a minimum amount of attempts/carries. Outside of TDs, total yards should be the biggest determining factor for any offensive position outside of line and kicker.

If a guy has 1/3rd the yards on the season, you can still weight ypc slightly higher than broken tackles or total yards and not have him win because those are just much worse.

It’s not about one variable, it’s about the fact that the variables that weight the most right now make no sense in terms of actual production and heavily favor power backs.

Originally posted by Raid
If a guy has 1/3rd the yards on the season, you can still weight ypc slightly higher than broken tackles or total yards and not have him win because those are just much worse.

It’s not about one variable, it’s about the fact that the variables that weight the most right now make no sense in terms of actual production and heavily favor power backs.

I agree.

Originally posted by mkeane2
Its the other way around since as long as you are the only HB rushing and your a full rushing team it does not show whos the better HB that is why i think the AVG is the most important thing and Broken tackles don't count for much its always

seems to be TD's mean the most which is silly since TDs does not explain how good a HB is


To some extent, that player was more valuable to their team though - as they produced more for the team. It's got to be a balance, it's not 'best' HB - it's most valuable. I think YPC has more overall value than broken tackles though, and the balance is not right as it sits at the moment.

One fact that many miss is that SOS matters too. Which is why players from the first few seasons are overrated in the HOF. All teams were new, so had high Global ranks. So having big games against good teams matters more than beating up on scrubs...in general.

And totally agree about broken tackles, don't know why they weigh so heavy. Would rank 1st downs over that.

Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
Yards Per Carry should prob count the lowest since it'd be easiest to maniuplate.

YPC is key to every back... even in the pros. Under your analysis if I have a back with 2,000 yards and 34 TDs but has 700 carries he is more valuable than a back with 1700 yards, 34 tackles on 500 carries. What if the 2nd back is on a team that actually passes sometimes. Does it make him any less valuable? What if his team has one loss and the 1st back is on a team with 5 wins but the owner just ran him every single down. For this argument we will say they averaged the same Broken tackles per carry. Its not just black and white, everything matters. YPC is your efficiency at what you do. Efficiency is one of the most telling stat lines in football for a back.

Originally posted by vipermaw82
YPC is key to every back... even in the pros. Under your analysis if I have a back with 2,000 yards and 34 TDs but has 700 carries he is more valuable than a back with 1700 yards, 34 tackles on 500 carries. What if the 2nd back is on a team that actually passes sometimes. Does it make him any less valuable? What if his team has one loss and the 1st back is on a team with 5 wins but the owner just ran him every single down. For this argument we will say they averaged the same Broken tackles per carry. Its not just black and white, everything matters. YPC is your efficiency at what you do. Efficiency is one of the most telling stat lines in football for a back.

I'm talking about game logic here...if we count YPC high, then attempts should be a factor to prevent gaming the system is all I'm saying. Right now the HOF is out of whack, especially with all the old players counting so impossibly high. Regardless, Broken Tackles count way too heavy in determining rankings in HBs.

Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
I'm talking about game logic here...if we count YPC high, then attempts should be a factor to prevent gaming the system is all I'm saying. Right now the HOF is out of whack, especially with all the old players counting so impossibly high. Regardless, Broken Tackles count way too heavy in determining rankings in HBs.

I'm a little biased in this HOF thing at RB right now

Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
I'm talking about game logic here...if we count YPC high, then attempts should be a factor to prevent gaming the system is all I'm saying. Right now the HOF is out of whack, especially with all the old players counting so impossibly high. Regardless, Broken Tackles count way too heavy in determining rankings in HBs.

And I'm saying that the weight of ypc shouldn't be so high that a guy who has only carried the ball 100 times in a season automatically trumps a guy with 350 carries and 3 times the yards.

The balance shouldn't elevate people like that even if they do have the highest YPC by a mile. If they weight it like that, it won't matter since it's not tracking one individual stat for the award. The only time you need to factor in minimum attempts is on individual stats.

Like, even a guy with 95 ypc on 1 run should still end up way low on the list because 95 yards in a season is a laughably low value in one of the other pillars they are measured by.


I get your concern, and it's a valid one, but it's just not going to be a factor when the exploit requires you to give up so much value in the rest of the equation.

Well, tbh I think it should be Total Yards, then TDs... then YPC, then Broken Tackles... that should fix the situation, no? Total Yards meaning the most takes out any chance of gaming the system I'd think.

Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
Well, tbh I think it should be Total Yards, then TDs... then YPC, then Broken Tackles... that should fix the situation, no? Total Yards meaning the most takes out any chance of gaming the system I'd think.

Any system can be gamed, but literally even if you weighed ypc first unless its weight was 3x that of the other stats it's not going to be gameable the way you described.

The only way you could feasibly game the system for an MVP run is to just use only cheesy plays that favor your player against bad teams. You need all the stats to compete for a top spot.


And frankly, if you were worried about a top stat weighing too heavily, a team with a 3.5 ypc back who only run the ball every game could EASILY get the most yards for that back in a season without him doing that well. YPC is the best measure in this regard, but a shit ton of yards should also weigh very heavily.