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From the minds that know...

Does anyone know if Return Specialist works with a HB returner or is it just for CB's?

 
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works for anyone in the returner spot on the depth chart
 
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Originally posted by RiverRat2
From the minds that know...

Does anyone know if Return Specialist works with a HB returner or is it just for CB's?



IMO, HB archetype is best for the KR/PR. CBs are used more since the cost less to build.

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Originally posted by reddogrw
works for anyone in the returner spot on the depth chart


Yup.

Originally posted by TJC
IMO, HB archetype is best for the KR/PR. CBs are used more since the cost less to build.

TJ


I have seen some successful PHB style returners made from FB's. And even though I still see some WR returners I don't get it because, as you point out, EHB SA tree works MUCH better for an elusive returner build.
 
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Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
I have seen some successful PHB style returners made from FB's. And even though I still see some WR returners I don't get it because, as you point out, EHB SA tree works MUCH better for an elusive returner build.


but if you are low on flex and can't get a free HB, a free WR returner is better than a CB
 
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Thanks.
The question was for my HB.
As long as it works I will pile points into it.

Cheers!!

In the description it says CB so that threw me a bit.
 
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Originally posted by RiverRat2
Thanks.
The question was for my HB.
As long as it works I will pile points into it.

Cheers!!

In the description it says CB so that threw me a bit.


the Blitz SA acts the same way
 
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Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
I have seen some successful PHB style returners made from FB's. And even though I still see some WR returners I don't get it because, as you point out, EHB SA tree works MUCH better for an elusive returner build.


WRs get the all the good elusive SAs and are free to build. With the FB, you have to buy the elusive SAs, but get better Majors. Return CBs make no sense to me, worst of both worlds low Majors and no SAs. The eHB is the best all worlds, perfect Majors and SAs but are pretty hard to get for free. Anyone who makes a return archetype HB should do this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRNmW_9dwI8&feature=related







 
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Originally posted by TJ Spikes
WRs get the all the good elusive SAs and are free to build. With the FB, you have to buy the elusive SAs, but get better Majors. Return CBs make no sense to me, worst of both worlds low Majors and no SAs. The eHB is the best all worlds, perfect Majors and SAs but are pretty hard to get for free. Anyone who makes a return archetype HB should do this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRNmW_9dwI8&feature=related



I had forgot about the 'freedot' issue... yeah... HB's hard to get sometimes. As for the FB returner he's a Power style build. I don't think I would need the elusive SA's and comes with the Power SA's I would use... as well as being able to build him much bigger (more weight) than a EHB. IMHO anyways.


[edit] Full disclosure here. I have never built, nor advocate building any "power style" returner. I was merely stating it was an option that has been done. The few I've seen have never preformed nearly as well as the Elusive style builds. Too many of the defensive dots on ST's are fast, agile, strong, tackling machines and they simply swarm a slower returner and 'gang tackle' them. The best defense I can offer for the 'Power style' builds is they are generally much heavier and, according to most, less prone to fumbles because they can handle those massive collisions better. My thoughts about that are simple... there are no 'massive collisions' if they can't hit you.
Edited by Theo Wizzago on Aug 3, 2020 20:46:40
 
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The problem with a power style is that Bruiser is tied to the Line of Scrimmage which doesn't exist on special teams.

Slippery is not. So if you go 50% Elusive, you can still break tackles all over the field, and you have a green PT, and you can pick up Spin with no penalty. So you could add Juke, and then Quick Feet becomes extra good. Then you can make up some ground in the Speed department with Return Specialist SA.

An elusive tackle breaker is kind of out there though.
 
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Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
And even though I still see some WR returners I don't get it because, as you point out, EHB SA tree works MUCH better for an elusive returner build.


They have the same 5 elusive SA's available in the same tree, just a different order. Biggest drawback to the WR is 5 majors vs 4, but the fact they are readily available for free makes them doable.



 
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Originally posted by reddogrw
but if you are low on flex and can't get a free HB, a free WR returner is better than a CB


I agree. WR is my choice. I have one that has Gold for it.

 


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