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I just started playing again this season. Was very serious back in seasons 9 and 10, and then dipped the toe in the water back in season 30, but did not enter back into the game. With the Covid, I decided this was a good way to kill some time. I have never developed a player into the upper levels as my attention span dwindles rapidly. After reading some of the forum posts I am wondering if being competitive if your first season comes at the price of being competitive in the later stages of your career. Do you have to accept mediocre results for the first few seasons if you want to compete at the upper leagues? I have already realized that some of my player builds are very poor and am planning on starting fresh next season. Are the two paths in this game, slower builds that compete in the later stages of the game or start over every season and try to rule the rookie leagues?

Yes

And no. If you're really wanting to build long term dots then, yeah... it's a long process that requires attention to detail... especially early. Once you hit around age 200 you're likely mostly done with main skills and are switching to 'Light Training for BT's' to finish off AEQ... so there's not as much thinking and stuff after that. There are plenty of Guides that also take a lot of the 'guess work' out of what you're doing.

However, there are Peewee leagues for one season dot building where you absolutely go for a different style of dot building because you KNOW you'll be recycling the dot after one season. You build to win NOW rather than later.
Also there are several Rookie teams that do the same thing. Build dots... win Rookie... recycle... and never advance beyond that. Again, you build differently because you're building to win NOW rather than doing the whole long term process.

I will say that, if you do decide to build long term dots, there are plenty of guides out there that make it simple... and posting notes in your player's 'Note' area helps you keep track. Plus the Training is pretty automatic where you set a goal and let it do the work. Add to that using the 'Quick Utility Editor' and 'Quick Training Editor' can also make it much easier to keep track of things. Just saying there's ways/tools to take some of the tedium out of long term dot building.

Stein, I would HIGHLY recommend building for the long-term. The good news is that since most other agents are also building for the long-term, your dots will be just fine all the way up, because you'll be playing mostly against other dots that have the same "disadvantage" as you, which means everyone's in the same boat.

It's a long climb tothe top for sure, but there are ways to break up the tedium. Post power rankings and game write-ups in the league forum. Get some good trash-talk going. Watch game replays and enjoy what your dot does. Offer to help with scouting or gameplanning for your team.

How high are people bringing their main stat these days veggie moving on to the next?

Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
And no. If you're really wanting to build long term dots then, yeah... it's a long process that requires attention to detail... especially early. Once you hit around age 200 you're likely mostly done with main skills and are switching to 'Light Training for BT's' to finish off AEQ... so there's not as much thinking and stuff after that. There are plenty of Guides that also take a lot of the 'guess work' out of what you're doing.

However, there are Peewee leagues for one season dot building where you absolutely go for a different style of dot building because you KNOW you'll be recycling the dot after one season. You build to win NOW rather than later.
Also there are several Rookie teams that do the same thing. Build dots... win Rookie... recycle... and never advance beyond that. Again, you build differently because you're building to win NOW rather than doing the whole long term process.

I will say that, if you do decide to build long term dots, there are plenty of guides out there that make it simple... and posting notes in your player's 'Note' area helps you keep track. Plus the Training is pretty automatic where you set a goal and let it do the work. Add to that using the 'Quick Utility Editor' and 'Quick Training Editor' can also make it much easier to keep track of things. Just saying there's ways/tools to take some of the tedium out of long term dot building.

...which is a super long way of saying "yes" to his question "are the two paths in this game, slower builds that compete in the later stages of the game or start over every season and try to rule the rookie leagues?"

Originally posted by Novus
Stein, I would HIGHLY recommend building for the long-term. The good news is that since most other agents are also building for the long-term, your dots will be just fine all the way up, because you'll be playing mostly against other dots that have the same "disadvantage" as you, which means everyone's in the same boat.

It's a long climb tothe top for sure, but there are ways to break up the tedium. Post power rankings and game write-ups in the league forum. Get some good trash-talk going. Watch game replays and enjoy what your dot does. Offer to help with scouting or gameplanning for your team.

As a counter point... just something to think about....

The only teams, agents, and networks (such as they are) that make it to the highest levels, are the die-est of die-hards that have stuck it out this long. They pretty much know all there is to know about the game, including building dots and tactics, and all play calling. If you only aim for the top, be prepared for a metric ass ton of disappointment.

The fun that is left in this game is to find a crew of like-minded individuals to hang out and grow with. As long as everyone is on the same page for build goals, then it doesn't really matter what everyone is shooting for. Many teams do one and done, many team do full on balls to the wall until they peter out then reset, and many more only build for the upper echelon.

imo... pick your own poison

Originally posted by TJ Spikes
As a counter point... just something to think about....

The only teams, agents, and networks (such as they are) that make it to the highest levels, are the die-est of die-hards that have stuck it out this long. They pretty much know all there is to know about the game, including building dots and tactics, and all play calling. If you only aim for the top, be prepared for a metric ass ton of disappointment.

The fun that is left in this game is to find a crew of like-minded individuals to hang out and grow with. As long as everyone is on the same page for build goals, then it doesn't really matter what everyone is shooting for. Many teams do one and done, many team do full on balls to the wall until they peter out then reset, and many more only build for the upper echelon.

imo... pick your own poison



I'll agree with the general point you're making, which is that there is PLENTY of fun to be had with your dots on the way up. You get 7 seasons of building and 5 seasons of Plateau, and it stuns me how many people ignore 58% of their dot's career because "nothing matters below Natty Pro." Does Semi-Pro matter as much as Natty Pro? Hell no. But does Semi-Pro matter to me if I have dots in Semi-Pro? You bet your ass it does. I paid for 12 seasons of Flex, not 5. I'm enjoying my dot for 12 seasons.

Not that I'm angry if you only watch the last 42% of your dot's career. Your dot, your Flex. But there are also people who only eat the top of a muffin, and I think they're silly too.

So to expand on moving through the leagues to the top tier. In Rookie to start, you will be at a disadvantage to teams that plan to reset each year because they will build for that season only, but once you progress through the first season, then the playing field should level as anyone moving up a level is most likely also building for the long term. It is likely that you will continue to compete year in and out with the same teams that all started as rookies in the same season as you. Would this be accurate? If so, then each season after your rookie season should be extremely competitive. Although it would seem that there will be more computer teams as you move up because the teams that reset after the first season leaves holes in the leagues above them.

Originally posted by steinbajl
So to expand on moving through the leagues to the top tier. In Rookie to start, you will be at a disadvantage to teams that plan to reset each year because they will build for that season only, but once you progress through the first season, then the playing field should level as anyone moving up a level is most likely also building for the long term. It is likely that you will continue to compete year in and out with the same teams that all started as rookies in the same season as you. Would this be accurate? If so, then each season after your rookie season should be extremely competitive. Although it would seem that there will be more computer teams as you move up because the teams that reset after the first season leaves holes in the leagues above them.

Correct, with one slight caveat -- it IS possible to go toe-to-toe with the one-and-done bastards in Rookie using dots that are built with the long-term in mind. A lot of these one-and-done jerks in Rookie are doing this for a reason: they're TERRIBLE at GLB tactics, and the only way they have a chance to win is with dots that are built to burn bright for one season and no further. It's not easy, but if you have solidly-built dots and superior tactics, you CAN beat them. My own team, the Palm Bay Palookas, defeated TWO one-and-done teams in the playoffs in our Rookie season to win gold, and we were building to win long-term. It wasn't easy, and we had a little luck. But don't listen to anyone who tells you it CAN'T be done. It absolutely can be.

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And to anyone still doing the one-and-done bullshit in Rookie, I say again -- just go to Pee Wee. There's a whole league that is set aside just for you. Go play there. Except you won't, because the teams in Pee Wee have dots built to rock for one season AND actual skill with GLB tactics, so you'll get steamrolled if you do. But you already know that, don't you? That's why you're in Rookie instead of Pee Wee. And WE all know that's why you're in Rookie instead of Pee Wee, so why keep pretending at this point? You're not fooling anyone.

Originally posted by Daedalus
...which is a super long way of saying "yes" to his question "are the two paths in this game, slower builds that compete in the later stages of the game or start over every season and try to rule the rookie leagues?"

Actually I was thinking of this part of his original post when I replied;

Originally posted by steinbajl
Do you have to accept mediocre results for the first few seasons if you want to compete at the upper leagues?

But you are correct that it would be a 'yes' answer to the last line in that post. And, in truth, the bit about "mediocre results" is a touch misleading. I mean, consider... everyone is building pretty much the same so you dot still plays on a level playing field mostly. It's just that they look so SLOW when it's early levels.

Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
But you are correct that it would be a 'yes' answer to the last line in that post. And, in truth, the bit about "mediocre results" is a touch misleading. I mean, consider... everyone is building pretty much the same so you dot still plays on a level playing field mostly. It's just that they look so SLOW when it's early levels.



Lol, just giving you grief...though the answer is still "yes" to both questions. The less mediocre you want your results to be the first few seasons, the more mediocre your results will be in the upper levels.

why????????

you were already in the stupid easy conference guaranteed to go to super bowl. you could have continued to develop your players for the long term no need to boost early. so what did u do, u went and boosted early and became yet another one-and-done sucka who is part of the problems. what are all these players whose teams are giving up already going to do in prep league and beyond? There just won't even be enough teams for competition let alone for all the players. I guess u have an excuse that u don't know what you're doing cuz u just started but a lot of people volunteered to help u and the only way you gonna learn is by going through to pro and learn by experience. you won't learn nothing doing rookie again after you just gave up on it. The only way you will ever really know if u did it wrong was to go to pro and see. Well its too late now cuz u just screwed up all your dots.

Originally posted by Daedalus
Lol, just giving you grief...though the answer is still "yes" to both questions. The less mediocre you want your results to be the first few seasons, the more mediocre your results will be in the upper levels.
that has already proven to be complete BS. Yes the suckas who boost early or cant plan long term get an advantage early by ruining their players. Its no guarantee of anything tho. Especially cuz if someone dumb enough to do it, how good is their tactics gonna be? Not very. Starting the second half of this season our long-term build team is already and will continue to beat these one-and-done teams. Don't take my word for it; its been proven many many times. You get no guarantees, and if you know how to game plan that matters more. Plus, the early career dots are way boring compared to when they finished. If u screw yourself before then, you screw yourself out of seeing real performance. i guess there is a world of ppl looking for the easy way out. where here's a new flash- the easy way out aint as easy as you think

That being said, its sucks being in a league where pretty much every team is one-and-done. guess what? we got as good a chance to win it all than anyone. My biggest concern is that only like 3 teams out of Rookie #1 will continue. whats gonna be left for prep? its sad. The other 2 rookie leagues have like 1 real team each. Its sad

...what?

EDIT: Oh, I get it now, Jeff's yelling at the OP for boosting early. Sorry, I'm tired tonight.

Jeff, they're his dots, not yours. I agree he boosted too early, but that's hardly worth an 18-paragraph screed. He ain't hurting anyone. Ice it down.