returning the GLB after many years away. I guess this question is for young teams, but it seems like the running QB is exploited from what ive seen so far. Is this how GLB is now? and does that explain why WR's are in high demand (because no one bothers making them)
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The only things being exploited are incompetent, lazy Defensive Coordinators and bad defensive builds... both of which SHOULD be exploited.
I've taken an all-running team up from Rookie to World League before, and we won a LOT of games, but not once did we go undefeated. Every season, most DCs would lazily use their standard D against us with no adjustments for our system, and we'd shred 'em for 50. Every season, one of those lazy DCs would start chirping about how "cheap" and "exploity" our offense was. And every season, the remaining DCs would do what DCs are supposed to do: scout our playcalling tendencies, tag our players as-needed, and create a brand new set of defensive plays that were designed to slow us down -- and they'd hold us to 150 yards of total offense and 13 points, and then we'd either have to gut out a defensive win or we'd lose. At that point, I'd tell the whiny DCs, "Hey, they figured out how to stop us. Fix your defense, scrub."
You stop rushing QB offenses the same way you stop ANY offense in GLB: scout tendencies and players, and tailor your defensive plays to stop the opposing offense. When DCs don't do that, they get shredded for 50 regardless of what the other team's offensive system is. Sadly, most DCs in GLB are lazy. The ones who put in the effort win games, while the lazy ones whine about "exploits."
Sorry to be so blunt, but I saw this play out every season during my last time running the Palookas, and it was aggravating.
I've taken an all-running team up from Rookie to World League before, and we won a LOT of games, but not once did we go undefeated. Every season, most DCs would lazily use their standard D against us with no adjustments for our system, and we'd shred 'em for 50. Every season, one of those lazy DCs would start chirping about how "cheap" and "exploity" our offense was. And every season, the remaining DCs would do what DCs are supposed to do: scout our playcalling tendencies, tag our players as-needed, and create a brand new set of defensive plays that were designed to slow us down -- and they'd hold us to 150 yards of total offense and 13 points, and then we'd either have to gut out a defensive win or we'd lose. At that point, I'd tell the whiny DCs, "Hey, they figured out how to stop us. Fix your defense, scrub."
You stop rushing QB offenses the same way you stop ANY offense in GLB: scout tendencies and players, and tailor your defensive plays to stop the opposing offense. When DCs don't do that, they get shredded for 50 regardless of what the other team's offensive system is. Sadly, most DCs in GLB are lazy. The ones who put in the effort win games, while the lazy ones whine about "exploits."
Sorry to be so blunt, but I saw this play out every season during my last time running the Palookas, and it was aggravating.
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Cheers. Yeah I’m not a DC (used to be years ago). I just returned and have a variety of players defence and offence. Just noticed the running QB is used heaps, and to the point people are building QBs like HBs. It’s a bit frustrating as I have WRs that just don’t get a look in. Only one team I’m in has a balanced attack it seems.
Anyway, just curious. GLB it’s very quiet now, so I guess people just aren’t putting the time into the game like they used to?
Anyway, just curious. GLB it’s very quiet now, so I guess people just aren’t putting the time into the game like they used to?
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Before I stepped away from GLB for a while, there was a growing attitude amongst a lot of OCs that passing was broken in GLB and wasn't worth trying. I was fortunate enough at one point to be an assistant OC for a WL team that ran a balanced offense, and what I saw from the OC was a lot of in-depth, detailed scouting. He didn't look for effective passing plays... he scouted opposing defenses to find effective ROUTES, and then picked plays that had similar routes in them that could also work. My take-away from that was that passing works fine in GLB, but you have to put in the effort to make it work. Good OCs do the work. Bad OCs run a cookie-cutter offense for every game and then claim "Passing is broken in GLB." Sound familiar? 
I was picking on lazy DCs before, but really, there are no shortcuts to winning in ANY aspect of GLB. If you want to be lazy, be prepared to lose a lot.
There are still people who play hard, but the cares have shifted HARD to the upper age tiers. That's too bad, because dots spend so much time at the lower age tiers... why not try to win there too, just for fun?
I was picking on lazy DCs before, but really, there are no shortcuts to winning in ANY aspect of GLB. If you want to be lazy, be prepared to lose a lot.
There are still people who play hard, but the cares have shifted HARD to the upper age tiers. That's too bad, because dots spend so much time at the lower age tiers... why not try to win there too, just for fun?
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Baloney,
Assume you are talking about your Tulsa team. Yes they are exploitable at the younger levels in Casual which is where that team resides. There just isn't enough options for casual defense to stop them at those levels combined with the fact that building a team that can stop this exploit in casual still takes several seasons.
At the top level of casual, they can be slowed down with a proper defensive roster. usually around the 4th or 5th seasons, it balances out a little more.
Assume you are talking about your Tulsa team. Yes they are exploitable at the younger levels in Casual which is where that team resides. There just isn't enough options for casual defense to stop them at those levels combined with the fact that building a team that can stop this exploit in casual still takes several seasons.
At the top level of casual, they can be slowed down with a proper defensive roster. usually around the 4th or 5th seasons, it balances out a little more.
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Casual is another story... but Casual has ALWAYS been another story.
It still amuses me that people take Casual so seriously. Isn't the point of Casual to be... y'know... casual?
It still amuses me that people take Casual so seriously. Isn't the point of Casual to be... y'know... casual?
Novus (and Sunder) are pretty spot on... mostly. When it comes to Defense, the game 'limits' you a little (IMO) by not allowing you to move certain dots (LB's and D-line) anywhere on the field. I say that loosely.... you can move them around but you can't use the entire field. That would greatly help. Because of that, a LOT of teams spam outside runs... QB's included. Also, because of the fact GLB has pinched down on passing so much that there's a LOT of 'ALL RUN' or '90%+ RUN' teams out there. I love a food running game but if GLB wanted a 'PRO' style football game they missed the target (IMO). It's a lot more college level style. And that's despite not having a lot of the College offensive formations available (Maryland I, Flex bone, ect, ect, ect...). Still, Army/Navy style game planing and creation is more the norm than the NFL's old West Coast style.
Novus is right in that, it can be stopped (or, at least, slowed down a lot) but until you figure out the way to do it, teams will spam ya to death with student body left and student body right plays.
Also you'll see it a LOT more in the Causal leagues as it seems much harder to stop there than in regular leagues. Again... not impossible... just harder.
Consider also that teams are DESIGNED now to be RUN ONLY (or mostly) not only with the RQB but you'll see WR's that can't catch (blockers only) and HB's that are built as blockers as well (to block for the RQB). It's easier to build a team for run only style. Consider you don't need a passing QB, a running FB, Receiving TE's, or more than 4 good blocking WR's (STOP style works well... Power also). That frees up a few dot slots on offense to make extra O-linemen (great for stamina and grinding teams down that way). The OC has a much easier job (run plays only) as well. IMO, it's a bit of a lazy approach. But if it works, then why not?
Personally, I guess I'm old school... I still run more than pass but I like the FULL style football game myself.
Novus is right in that, it can be stopped (or, at least, slowed down a lot) but until you figure out the way to do it, teams will spam ya to death with student body left and student body right plays.
Also you'll see it a LOT more in the Causal leagues as it seems much harder to stop there than in regular leagues. Again... not impossible... just harder.
Consider also that teams are DESIGNED now to be RUN ONLY (or mostly) not only with the RQB but you'll see WR's that can't catch (blockers only) and HB's that are built as blockers as well (to block for the RQB). It's easier to build a team for run only style. Consider you don't need a passing QB, a running FB, Receiving TE's, or more than 4 good blocking WR's (STOP style works well... Power also). That frees up a few dot slots on offense to make extra O-linemen (great for stamina and grinding teams down that way). The OC has a much easier job (run plays only) as well. IMO, it's a bit of a lazy approach. But if it works, then why not?
Personally, I guess I'm old school... I still run more than pass but I like the FULL style football game myself.
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Good analysis, Theo.
To answer your question, I'd prefer running a pro-style team myself. Problem is... I'm HORRIBLE at figuring out the passing game in GLB. It's entirely a weakness of mine. So, I finally decided to minimize my weakness and emphasize my strength: running.
To answer your question, I'd prefer running a pro-style team myself. Problem is... I'm HORRIBLE at figuring out the passing game in GLB. It's entirely a weakness of mine. So, I finally decided to minimize my weakness and emphasize my strength: running.
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Originally posted by sunder B
Baloney,
Assume you are talking about your Tulsa team. Yes they are exploitable at the younger levels in Casual which is where that team resides. There just isn't enough options for casual defense to stop them at those levels combined with the fact that building a team that can stop this exploit in casual still takes several seasons.
At the top level of casual, they can be slowed down with a proper defensive roster. usually around the 4th or 5th seasons, it balances out a little more.
I can do pretty well, however; you have to have players building to stop it at every level. Low level rushing QB's building for a duel role, can be deadly in the pass game, because in casual, it is all or nothing!
Baloney,
Assume you are talking about your Tulsa team. Yes they are exploitable at the younger levels in Casual which is where that team resides. There just isn't enough options for casual defense to stop them at those levels combined with the fact that building a team that can stop this exploit in casual still takes several seasons.
At the top level of casual, they can be slowed down with a proper defensive roster. usually around the 4th or 5th seasons, it balances out a little more.
I can do pretty well, however; you have to have players building to stop it at every level. Low level rushing QB's building for a duel role, can be deadly in the pass game, because in casual, it is all or nothing!
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Originally posted by Novus
Casual is another story... but Casual has ALWAYS been another story.
It still amuses me that people take Casual so seriously. Isn't the point of Casual to be... y'know... casual?
That's why I'm not into casual at all. I will be right up front that it is the strategy that makes the game fun for me
and honestly it just seems sad to me that ppl would play casual to exploit it... if they want to win so much,
win something that shows you put effort into it. Yeah i wish we did not finish second every season, but every
second place trophy we got i know we earned against the toughest competition, and when we get that gold,
(knock on wood) i'll know it was golden. I don't see the point in spending a lot of time trying to game
a game mode that was meant to not spend time on, and how anyone could get enjoyment from that
Casual is another story... but Casual has ALWAYS been another story.
It still amuses me that people take Casual so seriously. Isn't the point of Casual to be... y'know... casual?
That's why I'm not into casual at all. I will be right up front that it is the strategy that makes the game fun for me
and honestly it just seems sad to me that ppl would play casual to exploit it... if they want to win so much,
win something that shows you put effort into it. Yeah i wish we did not finish second every season, but every
second place trophy we got i know we earned against the toughest competition, and when we get that gold,
(knock on wood) i'll know it was golden. I don't see the point in spending a lot of time trying to game
a game mode that was meant to not spend time on, and how anyone could get enjoyment from that
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Originally posted by Novus
Good analysis, Theo.
To answer your question, I'd prefer running a pro-style team myself. Problem is... I'm HORRIBLE at figuring out the passing game in GLB. It's entirely a weakness of mine. So, I finally decided to minimize my weakness and emphasize my strength: running.
I find when we run well enough, a team will often focus too much on stopping the run
and then we can finally pass well- hopefully lol. Really it seems random even against the same opponent
we will pass very well one game and horribly in anothert. tell me if you can figure out why lol
Good analysis, Theo.
To answer your question, I'd prefer running a pro-style team myself. Problem is... I'm HORRIBLE at figuring out the passing game in GLB. It's entirely a weakness of mine. So, I finally decided to minimize my weakness and emphasize my strength: running.
I find when we run well enough, a team will often focus too much on stopping the run
and then we can finally pass well- hopefully lol. Really it seems random even against the same opponent
we will pass very well one game and horribly in anothert. tell me if you can figure out why lol
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Originally posted by Novus
It still amuses me that people take Casual so seriously. Isn't the point of Casual to be... y'know... casual?
We are still competitive. But in my experience, the DPC, and the offense progressions and other nuances of the full AI was way more involved than I wanted to get into for a game that just passes the time for me. I still want to win every game, and if my opponents have the same limitations as I have, its fine with me. I do wish they would do something to allow us to defend all rushing teams a little better, but it is what it is. I do pretty well with them when I get to Casual Pro, and as long as it is manageable there, I am OK with it.
It still amuses me that people take Casual so seriously. Isn't the point of Casual to be... y'know... casual?
We are still competitive. But in my experience, the DPC, and the offense progressions and other nuances of the full AI was way more involved than I wanted to get into for a game that just passes the time for me. I still want to win every game, and if my opponents have the same limitations as I have, its fine with me. I do wish they would do something to allow us to defend all rushing teams a little better, but it is what it is. I do pretty well with them when I get to Casual Pro, and as long as it is manageable there, I am OK with it.
Edited by sunder B on Sep 25, 2018 07:42:18
Originally posted by sunder B
We are still competitive. But in my experience, the DPC, and the offense progressions and other nuances of the full AI was way more involved than I wanted to get into for a game that just passes the time for me. I still want to win every game, and if my opponents have the same limitations as I have, its fine with me. I do wish they would do something to allow us to defend all rushing teams a little better, but it is what it is. I do pretty well with them when I get to Casual Pro, and as long as it is manageable there, I am OK with it.
Yeah... trouble is there's not a happy medium. Casual is so much overly so it leaves too much to be spammed/exploited and water seeks the easiest route to go... so do people. 99.999999999% of us here are here because we're competitive and want to win and will follow the easiest path to do that because we're also lazy creatures by nature. Regular leagues are over-the-top detailed. Seriously... I'm trying to be an OC after many, many years of not doing so and even then it was only (as a OC) in the Peewee leagues. And making up packages and creating an AI... for anyone with OCD it's heaven. Hell... you can make an AI that would confuse Einstein! It only takes a month or so... lots of Mountain Dew and Skittles... no life outside of GLB... some serious aspirin... and an OCD mind from heck. I'm about 1/2 way to all that.
It could've been made much easier with drag and drop and such things but I get why people play Casual. You gotta be mental to want to do this stuff.
We are still competitive. But in my experience, the DPC, and the offense progressions and other nuances of the full AI was way more involved than I wanted to get into for a game that just passes the time for me. I still want to win every game, and if my opponents have the same limitations as I have, its fine with me. I do wish they would do something to allow us to defend all rushing teams a little better, but it is what it is. I do pretty well with them when I get to Casual Pro, and as long as it is manageable there, I am OK with it.
Yeah... trouble is there's not a happy medium. Casual is so much overly so it leaves too much to be spammed/exploited and water seeks the easiest route to go... so do people. 99.999999999% of us here are here because we're competitive and want to win and will follow the easiest path to do that because we're also lazy creatures by nature. Regular leagues are over-the-top detailed. Seriously... I'm trying to be an OC after many, many years of not doing so and even then it was only (as a OC) in the Peewee leagues. And making up packages and creating an AI... for anyone with OCD it's heaven. Hell... you can make an AI that would confuse Einstein! It only takes a month or so... lots of Mountain Dew and Skittles... no life outside of GLB... some serious aspirin... and an OCD mind from heck. I'm about 1/2 way to all that.
It could've been made much easier with drag and drop and such things but I get why people play Casual. You gotta be mental to want to do this stuff. Edited by Theo Wizzago on Sep 25, 2018 14:01:25
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Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
Yeah... trouble is there's not a happy medium. Casual is so much overly so it leaves too much to be spammed/exploited and water seeks the easiest route to go... so do people. 99.999999999% of us here are here because we're competitive and want to win and will follow the easiest path to do that because we're also lazy creatures by nature. Regular leagues are over-the-top detailed. Seriously... I'm trying to be an OC after many, many years of not doing so and even then it was only (as a OC) in the Peewee leagues. And making up packages and creating an AI... for anyone with OCD it's heaven. Hell... you can make an AI that would confuse Einstein! It only takes a month or so... lots of Mountain Dew and Skittles... no life outside of GLB... some serious aspirin... and an OCD mind from heck. I'm about 1/2 way to all that. It could've been made much easier with drag and drop and such things but I get why people play Casual. You gotta be mental to want to do this stuff.
this is all so true
one thing i've noticed- if there was a 'duplicate input' option or something, it'd go so much quicker
i can't say how many times i've had to remake the same DAI outputs over and over for slight differences:
speedback, w/ block TE, or w/ rec te, with power FB, or scat back, 3rd & long, 3rd & manageable, 3rd & short, 3rd & inches. etc
to be able to copy and paste one input and then make the small changes to it would save so much time
over having to make similar inputs over and over and over
etc
Yeah... trouble is there's not a happy medium. Casual is so much overly so it leaves too much to be spammed/exploited and water seeks the easiest route to go... so do people. 99.999999999% of us here are here because we're competitive and want to win and will follow the easiest path to do that because we're also lazy creatures by nature. Regular leagues are over-the-top detailed. Seriously... I'm trying to be an OC after many, many years of not doing so and even then it was only (as a OC) in the Peewee leagues. And making up packages and creating an AI... for anyone with OCD it's heaven. Hell... you can make an AI that would confuse Einstein! It only takes a month or so... lots of Mountain Dew and Skittles... no life outside of GLB... some serious aspirin... and an OCD mind from heck. I'm about 1/2 way to all that.
It could've been made much easier with drag and drop and such things but I get why people play Casual. You gotta be mental to want to do this stuff. this is all so true
one thing i've noticed- if there was a 'duplicate input' option or something, it'd go so much quicker
i can't say how many times i've had to remake the same DAI outputs over and over for slight differences:
speedback, w/ block TE, or w/ rec te, with power FB, or scat back, 3rd & long, 3rd & manageable, 3rd & short, 3rd & inches. etc
to be able to copy and paste one input and then make the small changes to it would save so much time
over having to make similar inputs over and over and over
etc
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