Total Yards Rushing should count for more in HoF instead of Broken Tackles. TD's should count for the most obviously too.
Edited by Myrik_Justiciar on Nov 10, 2017 23:24:52
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Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
Total Yards Rushing should count for more in HoF instead of Broken Tackles. TD's should count for the most obviously too.
seems like it does, no? otherwise how do the elusives get up in the hof?
Total Yards Rushing should count for more in HoF instead of Broken Tackles. TD's should count for the most obviously too.
seems like it does, no? otherwise how do the elusives get up in the hof?
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Originally posted by bhall43
seems like it does, no? otherwise how do the elusives get up in the hof?
It favors Broken Tackles way too high (which Elusives get due to Juke and such), higher than total yards...the last 2 seasons I had KYM in vet, Bob was ranked like 4th both times and he led in yards and ypc (over 11 ypc) I believe, but had way less broken tackles... dots like Omni King broke a shit ton of tackles and were ranked higher despite it.
seems like it does, no? otherwise how do the elusives get up in the hof?
It favors Broken Tackles way too high (which Elusives get due to Juke and such), higher than total yards...the last 2 seasons I had KYM in vet, Bob was ranked like 4th both times and he led in yards and ypc (over 11 ypc) I believe, but had way less broken tackles... dots like Omni King broke a shit ton of tackles and were ranked higher despite it.
Edited by Myrik_Justiciar on Nov 11, 2017 07:29:03
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Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
It favors Broken Tackles way too high (which Elusives get due to Juke and such), higher than total yards...the last 2 seasons I had KYM in vet, Bob was ranked like 4th both times and he led in yards and ypc (over 11 ypc) I believe, but had way less broken tackles... dots like Omni King broke a shit ton of tackles and were ranked higher despite it.
hey dont you knock my boy omni!! but ya there was one season for sure omni lead Hof that season and had about 250 more broken tacles than anyone else but myrik back had more yards and TDs.
It favors Broken Tackles way too high (which Elusives get due to Juke and such), higher than total yards...the last 2 seasons I had KYM in vet, Bob was ranked like 4th both times and he led in yards and ypc (over 11 ypc) I believe, but had way less broken tackles... dots like Omni King broke a shit ton of tackles and were ranked higher despite it.
hey dont you knock my boy omni!! but ya there was one season for sure omni lead Hof that season and had about 250 more broken tacles than anyone else but myrik back had more yards and TDs.
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damn sorry myrik just did research.
season 25 omni won hof
Murdoch
carries 1157 yards 11379 TD 173 BRtk 440
Omni
carries 1285 yards 13642 TD 185 BRTK 951
season 25 omni won hof
Murdoch
carries 1157 yards 11379 TD 173 BRtk 440
Omni
carries 1285 yards 13642 TD 185 BRTK 951
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Originally posted by dredgar
damn sorry myrik just did research.
season 25 omni won hof
Murdoch
carries 1157 yards 11379 TD 173 BRtk 440
Omni
carries 1285 yards 13642 TD 185 BRTK 951
Ah well, I think he was still ranked too low if I recall... what about the 2nd season?
damn sorry myrik just did research.
season 25 omni won hof
Murdoch
carries 1157 yards 11379 TD 173 BRtk 440
Omni
carries 1285 yards 13642 TD 185 BRTK 951
Ah well, I think he was still ranked too low if I recall... what about the 2nd season?
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Just look at the order of the MVP race and then the rushing stats in Merlot League right now to see what he means.
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/league/211
Chicken has nearly 600 yards more than Sith Power HB, but is behind by 4 TDs so that is the reason right? Except Saquon Barkley is 8 TDs ahead of Daren Rahl and has more yards, yet is again behind in terms of MVP.
Broken Tackles are king.
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/league/211
Chicken has nearly 600 yards more than Sith Power HB, but is behind by 4 TDs so that is the reason right? Except Saquon Barkley is 8 TDs ahead of Daren Rahl and has more yards, yet is again behind in terms of MVP.
Broken Tackles are king.
Edited by Raid on Nov 12, 2017 16:42:42
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Also (And I know this is going to fug me) Chicken has the highest YPC of anyone near the top while maintaining a big 0 in the fumbles column to help his team win.
But I'm a bad HB builder, so don't listen to me
But I'm a bad HB builder, so don't listen to me
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Current HOF rankings for pro backs favors Jeter who has 1150 more rushing yards while having 11 fewer TDs, 28 fewer broken tackles, 200 fewer receiving yards and 2 fewer receiving TDs than Conqueror. Not sure what the equivalent is for broken tackles to yards, TDs to yards or whatever but the yardage differential is clearly greater in that case so far this season.
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Originally posted by Detroit Leos
Current HOF rankings for pro backs favors Jeter who has 1150 more rushing yards while having 11 fewer TDs, 28 fewer broken tackles, 200 fewer receiving yards and 2 fewer receiving TDs than Conqueror. Not sure what the equivalent is for broken tackles to yards, TDs to yards or whatever but the yardage differential is clearly greater in that case so far this season.
Well that yardage difference is just insane, as you said, so that makes sense.
Current HOF rankings for pro backs favors Jeter who has 1150 more rushing yards while having 11 fewer TDs, 28 fewer broken tackles, 200 fewer receiving yards and 2 fewer receiving TDs than Conqueror. Not sure what the equivalent is for broken tackles to yards, TDs to yards or whatever but the yardage differential is clearly greater in that case so far this season.
Well that yardage difference is just insane, as you said, so that makes sense.
Edited by Raid on Nov 12, 2017 17:32:24
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Originally posted by Raid
Well that yardage difference is just insane, as you said, so that makes sense.
It still provides some info IMO.
1150 rushing yard difference - 200 receiving yard difference = 950 yards
11 rushing TD difference + 2 rec TD difference = 13 TD difference
So essentially,
950 yards > 28 broken tackles + 13 TDs
More examples could shed light on how many yards a single broken tackle is worth and how many yards a single TD is worth.
In this example if we know that a single TD or broken tackle is worth more than 1 yard when scoring a player for HOF, we can make some conclusions.
(950 - 28) / 13 = 70.9
(950 - 13) / 28 = 33.5
So we can conclude that a broken tackle is worth than less than 33.5 yards and a TD is worth less than 70.9 yards. Those are big numbers but we do not know how much less without further examples and the math was done with only subtracting broken tackles / TDs as the same worth as yards. If enough examples were given, you guys could possibly get close to the actual difference between broken tackles, TDs and yards.
Edit: S24 Vet HOF rankings show the following backs semi close in stats.
Jeter -
141 Rush TDs, 1 rec TD, 10864 rush yards, 303 rec yards, 386 Brktk
Habana -
131 rush TD, 6 rec TD, 10490 rush yards, 482 rec yards, 542 Brktk
So...
142 total TD - 137 total TD = +5 TD difference for Jeter
11167 total yards - 10972 total yards = +195 yard difference for Jeter
542 Brktk - 386 Brktk = -156 Brktk difference AGAINST Jeter.
With this we could say that 156 Brktk < 5 TDs + 195 yards or 31.2 Brktk < 1 TD and 39 yards.
Not going to bother going beyond this as it shows that brktks are not a huge difference and/or that there are other factors that carry more weight in this case.
Well that yardage difference is just insane, as you said, so that makes sense.
It still provides some info IMO.
1150 rushing yard difference - 200 receiving yard difference = 950 yards
11 rushing TD difference + 2 rec TD difference = 13 TD difference
So essentially,
950 yards > 28 broken tackles + 13 TDs
More examples could shed light on how many yards a single broken tackle is worth and how many yards a single TD is worth.
In this example if we know that a single TD or broken tackle is worth more than 1 yard when scoring a player for HOF, we can make some conclusions.
(950 - 28) / 13 = 70.9
(950 - 13) / 28 = 33.5
So we can conclude that a broken tackle is worth than less than 33.5 yards and a TD is worth less than 70.9 yards. Those are big numbers but we do not know how much less without further examples and the math was done with only subtracting broken tackles / TDs as the same worth as yards. If enough examples were given, you guys could possibly get close to the actual difference between broken tackles, TDs and yards.
Edit: S24 Vet HOF rankings show the following backs semi close in stats.
Jeter -
141 Rush TDs, 1 rec TD, 10864 rush yards, 303 rec yards, 386 Brktk
Habana -
131 rush TD, 6 rec TD, 10490 rush yards, 482 rec yards, 542 Brktk
So...
142 total TD - 137 total TD = +5 TD difference for Jeter
11167 total yards - 10972 total yards = +195 yard difference for Jeter
542 Brktk - 386 Brktk = -156 Brktk difference AGAINST Jeter.
With this we could say that 156 Brktk < 5 TDs + 195 yards or 31.2 Brktk < 1 TD and 39 yards.
Not going to bother going beyond this as it shows that brktks are not a huge difference and/or that there are other factors that carry more weight in this case.
Edited by Detroit Leos on Nov 12, 2017 18:39:17
Edited by Detroit Leos on Nov 12, 2017 18:35:24
Edited by Detroit Leos on Nov 12, 2017 18:31:39
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Originally posted by Detroit Leos
It still provides some info IMO.
1150 rushing yard difference - 200 receiving yard difference = 950 yards
11 rushing TD difference + 2 rec TD difference = 13 TD difference
So essentially,
950 yards > 28 broken tackles + 13 TDs
More examples could shed light on how many yards a single broken tackle is worth and how many yards a single TD is worth.
In this example if we know that a single TD or broken tackle is worth more than 1 yard when scoring a player for HOF, we can make some conclusions.
(950 - 28) / 13 = 70.9
(950 - 13) / 28 = 33.5
So we can conclude that a broken tackle is worth than less than 33.5 yards and a TD is worth less than 70.9 yards. Those are big numbers but we do not know how much less without further examples and the math was done with only subtracting broken tackles / TDs as the same worth as yards. If enough examples were given, you guys could possibly get close to the actual difference between broken tackles, TDs and yards.
That also assumes that receiving yards are weighed evenly with rushing yards at the HB position, which they may not be. We can't assume anything about the numbers too much from what we have so far, we don't even know anything about the end numbers that place the players where they are aside from 'this guys is higher than the other guys' with a list as our final output.
And the math you are using is not right, you can't just subract one from yardage and divide by the other... that's just nonsense math man. It's a bunch of factors going into who is ahead, subtracting broken tackles or TDs from yardage totals then dividing by the other shows nothing whatsoever.
Like literally nothing.
It still provides some info IMO.
1150 rushing yard difference - 200 receiving yard difference = 950 yards
11 rushing TD difference + 2 rec TD difference = 13 TD difference
So essentially,
950 yards > 28 broken tackles + 13 TDs
More examples could shed light on how many yards a single broken tackle is worth and how many yards a single TD is worth.
In this example if we know that a single TD or broken tackle is worth more than 1 yard when scoring a player for HOF, we can make some conclusions.
(950 - 28) / 13 = 70.9
(950 - 13) / 28 = 33.5
So we can conclude that a broken tackle is worth than less than 33.5 yards and a TD is worth less than 70.9 yards. Those are big numbers but we do not know how much less without further examples and the math was done with only subtracting broken tackles / TDs as the same worth as yards. If enough examples were given, you guys could possibly get close to the actual difference between broken tackles, TDs and yards.
That also assumes that receiving yards are weighed evenly with rushing yards at the HB position, which they may not be. We can't assume anything about the numbers too much from what we have so far, we don't even know anything about the end numbers that place the players where they are aside from 'this guys is higher than the other guys' with a list as our final output.
And the math you are using is not right, you can't just subract one from yardage and divide by the other... that's just nonsense math man. It's a bunch of factors going into who is ahead, subtracting broken tackles or TDs from yardage totals then dividing by the other shows nothing whatsoever.
Like literally nothing.
Edited by Raid on Nov 12, 2017 18:35:34
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Yes, other factors are in play (just edited my post with another example). You can still try to gain an idea of weights though with some math even if it is not going to be completely accurate.
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Originally posted by Detroit Leos
Not going to bother going beyond this as it shows that brktks are not a huge difference and/or that there are other factors that carry more weight in this case.
Again, you are using some REAL weird math that just seems to be you plugging in whatever you want while ignoring all other factors. If broken tackles means so little then why is this happening? (both have around 55 receiving yards so that ain't it)
Rahl - 2248 yds, 32 TDs, 157 BrTk
Barkley - 2268 yds, 40 TDs, 105 BrTk
More yards, 7 more TDs. So apparently it's got some weight to it, quite a bit considering.
Also, what about fumbles? A high number of those are detrimental to the formula, among a bunch of other things.
We are literally clueless to determine, but the two I've linked have similar fumble numbers, similar receiving numbers, and a large gap in both TDs and broken tackles leaning to one side or the other. So we can conclude only that a similar number to 52 broken tackles is enough to overcome 8 TDs, and that's stretching it.
52/7 = 7.4
So somewhere under 7.4 tackles is the number of broken tackles you need to overcome someone having 1 more TD than you. That's assuming that a receiving TD counts for as much as a rushing TD as well - again something we can't assume - if it counts for nothing though the total becomes 6.5 - but since we don't know how close the two are we can again only assume that it is UNDER these numbers and we don't know how far under.
Not going to bother going beyond this as it shows that brktks are not a huge difference and/or that there are other factors that carry more weight in this case.
Again, you are using some REAL weird math that just seems to be you plugging in whatever you want while ignoring all other factors. If broken tackles means so little then why is this happening? (both have around 55 receiving yards so that ain't it)
Rahl - 2248 yds, 32 TDs, 157 BrTk
Barkley - 2268 yds, 40 TDs, 105 BrTk
More yards, 7 more TDs. So apparently it's got some weight to it, quite a bit considering.
Also, what about fumbles? A high number of those are detrimental to the formula, among a bunch of other things.
We are literally clueless to determine, but the two I've linked have similar fumble numbers, similar receiving numbers, and a large gap in both TDs and broken tackles leaning to one side or the other. So we can conclude only that a similar number to 52 broken tackles is enough to overcome 8 TDs, and that's stretching it.
52/7 = 7.4
So somewhere under 7.4 tackles is the number of broken tackles you need to overcome someone having 1 more TD than you. That's assuming that a receiving TD counts for as much as a rushing TD as well - again something we can't assume - if it counts for nothing though the total becomes 6.5 - but since we don't know how close the two are we can again only assume that it is UNDER these numbers and we don't know how far under.
Edited by Raid on Nov 12, 2017 18:55:26
Edited by Raid on Nov 12, 2017 18:51:05
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Originally posted by Raid
Again, you are using some REAL weird math that just seems to be you plugging in whatever you want while ignoring all other factors. If broken tackles means so little then why is this happening? (both have around 55 receiving yards so that ain't it)
Rahl - 2248 yds, 32 TDs, 157 BrTk
Barkley - 2268 yds, 40 TDs, 105 BrTk
More yards, 8 more TDs. So apparently it's got some weight to it, quite a bit considering.
I get what you guys are trying to point at here but I found examples where BrkTk differences were not making a huge impact. Perhaps it has more to do with the YACON difference here as Rahl is +650 YACON in league play. Rahl's rec TD also came in league play while Barkley's came in a ladder game it seems as well.
Again, you are using some REAL weird math that just seems to be you plugging in whatever you want while ignoring all other factors. If broken tackles means so little then why is this happening? (both have around 55 receiving yards so that ain't it)
Rahl - 2248 yds, 32 TDs, 157 BrTk
Barkley - 2268 yds, 40 TDs, 105 BrTk
More yards, 8 more TDs. So apparently it's got some weight to it, quite a bit considering.
I get what you guys are trying to point at here but I found examples where BrkTk differences were not making a huge impact. Perhaps it has more to do with the YACON difference here as Rahl is +650 YACON in league play. Rahl's rec TD also came in league play while Barkley's came in a ladder game it seems as well.
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