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MileHighShoes
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WR's rarely if ever invest in route elusiveness anymore because most CB's take coverage tech to 85+.
So I built a CB with no Coverage Technique.

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/163182

He does just as well at targets/receptions as a traditional CB I built.

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/139776

Of course there may be a discrepancy in how many targets the 0 cov. tech. CB attracts compared to the 80 cov tech CB. I haven't looked into that as much, but I just wanted to point out how maybe this skill may not be doing as much as we think in the current meta right now. I think a team could get away with 40-50 cov. tech. CB's right now before Offenses catch on and attempt to combat it with route elusiveness and head fake.
 
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So I guess when or if the offenses catch on, would you do a respec OR would you just try to catch up the CT? The way the meta changes sometimes, I always wonder how it is best dealt with. I am so new at this, I can't nail down the nuances like you guys can.. it's rather impressive or maybe I am just naive!! Thanks for the info..
 
TxSteve
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Thanks for sharing.

I think I recall Rob -- and maybe Sov? Posting in the main forums several months back with their questions about whether coverage tech really does anything at all.

 
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Originally posted by MileHighShoes
WR's rarely if ever invest in route elusiveness anymore because most CB's take coverage tech to 85+.
So I built a CB with no Coverage Technique.

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/163182

He does just as well at targets/receptions as a traditional CB I built.

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/139776

Of course there may be a discrepancy in how many targets the 0 cov. tech. CB attracts compared to the 80 cov tech CB. I haven't looked into that as much, but I just wanted to point out how maybe this skill may not be doing as much as we think in the current meta right now. I think a team could get away with 40-50 cov. tech. CB's right now before Offenses catch on and attempt to combat it with route elusiveness and head fake.


I think cov tech counters route tech/quickness, and man aware counters the route elusive (fakes).
 
MadCow420
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Lol keep building CBs with no tech, and my WRs will carve you up.
 
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Originally posted by TxSteve
Thanks for sharing.

I think I recall Rob -- and maybe Sov? Posting in the main forums several months back with their questions about whether coverage tech really does anything at all.



yeah rob noticed this a while back, it def has some usefulness but if you use those pts well elsewhere you wont notice much of an issue. i dont think rob suggested going 0 invested but you can def skimp on it to save some SP
 
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ya you can go 70 coverage tech instaed of 90 now and the cb will still compete really well, i have had a few cbs hood under 40%
 
MadCow420
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I don't care for low tech Cbs at all. what else would you invest in instead of tech. I mean most Cbs already have really high awareness and deflect? whats more important than tech? Its not like you guy are investing those SP into speed because your Cbs are still slow as shit.
 
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Perhaps run stopping skills?
 
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Originally posted by Aeir
Perhaps run stopping skills?


That's crazy talk!
 
MadCow420
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Originally posted by Aeir
Perhaps run stopping skills?


How much do you need? I'm content with the amount that I have on my Cbs. Id prefer to have my Cbs better at playing the pass. But that's just me I guess.
 
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Originally posted by MadCow420
How much do you need? I'm content with the amount that I have on my Cbs. Id prefer to have my Cbs better at playing the pass. But that's just me I guess.


Well the CB I linked was just a joke CB, so I maxed strip tech, and intimidation, and took BRB to 39 so far, may go higher there, and added some dumb SA's. But I could easily see a CB only take coverage tech to 50-60 and use the extra points elsewhere to further advance the build. Things such as tackling, deflect, awareness, speed, footwork, conditioning, heart, consistency.

I actually decided to watch the most recent game that we lost (54-17) to insure it was against quality competition to see how it looked.

This was the game.
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/game/278503

They're the same tier as us, and have 2 S* WR's and 1 S* TE, so he was in coverage against arguably good/decent competition.

The entire first half he only had one target thrown his way out of 27 plays, 21 of which were passes. On the 6 run plays, 2 were in his direction, on one he pancaked the WR but the FS got to it first, on the other he broke the WR block and forced a strip fumble which the FS recovered.

In the second half he was targeted 6 times. I saw 1 deflection, 1 unable to secure, and 4 receptions. Of the receptions, 2 of them the CB was right on top of the receiver and failed the deflection roll. The other 2 were short underneath passes where the WR comes back down and inside for the catch, and the CB was out of position for both but neither was more than 5 yards. This was out of 39 plays, 28 of which were passes. Of the 11 runs, 4 were in the CB's direction, one was a TFL by the CB, another was a 3 yd gain tackled by the CB, and the 2 others were tackled by other players.

I honestly did not see a single instance where more coverage tech may have helped him in that game. It really didn't seem like he made any mistakes at all, and I wanted to put the idea in front of the community for ya'll to see.

I looked at the opposing builds to see what I could find, most were closed. The non S* TE was open and he had 70 route tech and 59 route elusiveness, None of the completions my CB allowed were to this TE, and I didn't count how often my CB was in coverage against him but probably not very much as I only occasionally saw him covering TE's.

So out of a total 49 passing plays, my CB saw 6 targets, of which there were 4 receptions. Of those reception, 2 could plausibly have been caused by coverage tech, but I'm skeptical, I think more man awareness would have solved those two. I genuinely don't see a need for coverage tech. I would love to hear more about why you, or any one else for that matter, thinks its worthwhile, or thinks it is worth a high investment, but I'm not seeing it. And I definitely remember a time when I was saying Route Elusiveness was too expensive for the returns it provided and many people said Route Elusiveness was vital on any Receiver, so I'm curious to see what the dissent looks like here and for any perspective I may not be seeing on this one.

However I'm leaning towards the side of, "What coverage Tech says it does is actually determined by footwork, quickness, sprinting, and man awareness."
 
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Cov tech would have helped with those come back routes. 4 out of 6 ain't good.
 
Makntak
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I have a CB on the same team who has 30 Man Aware, 23 ZA, 16 Cov Tech and 12 Deflecting

This season he is 13 of 34 targets with 3 PDs in 6 games. His skill numbers were the same last season 111 of 194 targets, 10 PDs, 1 Int

In the above mentioned game, which we lost against a proper team, he allowed 1 of 4 targets.

So summats up.

I'm not seeing a massive statistical difference between this and my 'proper' CBs who are loaded to the gills with the necessaries. Especially when you consider that my joke corner got 47 hurries, 23 sacks, 137 tackles and 5 FFum as well.

Now, granted, this team faces weak opposition, so don't read too deep, but something is definitely amiss and our assumptions may not be all we crack them up to be.

I could also talk about my HB with only 16 Carry Grip and no Mr Reliable or B4I. Yes he fumbled 31 times last season on 1033 carries. But he scored 47 TDs and got 5805 yds. This takes no account at all of the game situation and how devastating some of those Fumbles probably were and in the real GLB world (WTF is that? - ed.), it will cost you games.

 
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Originally posted by MadCow420
I don't care for low tech Cbs at all. what else would you invest in instead of tech.


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