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Oofty
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For the "Defense Consistency" trait, does the description mean 3rd downs, 2 minute warning, etc?

Just how important is it? I know Receiving consistency is important for WRs, but the description is quite a bit different.
 
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Consistency is any third or fourth down. Last two minutes of half or end game. Playoffs in general play.
 
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I like to have at least 50 Def Consist on my guys.
 
Oofty
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Originally posted by dredgar
Consistency is any third or fourth down. Last two minutes of half or end game. Playoffs in general play.


Right. But what kinds of mistakes? Is there an additional element to the rolls during those times that increases the variability of other skills?
 
Makntak
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We don't actually know, Oofty. Anything that people tell you about rolls is speculation/nonsense, at best, educated guessing. We don't even know for certain, in what order the sim determines the playcall. Actually, I don't know for certain, everyone else might...but there are many variables that interact with the roll. Energy/Morale, Player Chemistry, SAs firing on the play, Quality of the pass, accuracy of the pass, etc.

I'm thinking of the pass game here on 3rd and 8+. Everything comes down to that individual matchup between WR and his markers and the RNG. The way I think of it, consistency raises the floor of your minimum roll. I also think of it that if my my Consistency is 62, then I am operating at 62% of my capacity on 3rd downs, so my 85 man aware CB is now only a 52 man aware CB with the same reduction across all of his skills. It simulates (quite well, I think) how well your player handles psychological and physical pressure.

All of my suppositions are probably wrong - I've never built a top drone - but they're not bad, because they're consistent. I can see that they do stupid things less often.

What I see in terms of my drones' performances is high consistency on any player really does improve their ability to make the play on 3rd down.

For me the game hangs around it to quite a large extent

So often, I will see the teams I am associated with defend superbly for 2 downs, DC has got his playcalling spot on and defenders swarm all over the offense to set up 3rd and long situations, On 3rd down, DC calls the perfect play again, but it doesn't matter the receiver caught the pass in double coverage anyway.

Or, My offense is playing really badly, their DC has got us totally sussed and pinned back, then on 3rd and whatever, our QB finds a WR with ease, The same defenders that were just destroying us on 1st and 2nd Down now look like complete morons. Players that I coach, players that I have built who are 80+ in all Coverage skills with state-approved haircuts and Apollonian physiques who are excellent CBs on downs 1 and 2, seem to have no idea what is going on in 3rd down situations. I fucking hate it when it's my CB playing Man who just keeps on running.

The remedy I've found to keep my player consistent is 60+. Higher obviously for some positions. WRs with 70+ Consistency are lovely to have (then you moan because that he can't catch anything on 3rd down because he's spent so much on consistency that he's too slow, or he can't stand up, or he can't turn around). Nevertheless, I think that my notions about consistency being good medicine are confirmed when I drill it down into stats.

Also, I like those passive SAs that fire because it's 3rd down, they seem to help.

Disclaimer: This is intended to be illustrative and I recognize that it is anecdotal. I take no responsibility for your shitty dot
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Thats prob why I cuss my defense on 3rd down half the time lol
 
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To add on what Makntak said, I've got no idea what it does. My team HAHA is going to test out really high consistency on several positions. I'm hoping it has a slight boost to rolls being closer to the max, and then that boost is increased on 3rd/4th downs + end of halves etc.

However, I have no idea if I'm right, wrong, or it's 50/50.
 
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Originally posted by Absolut Zero
To add on what Makntak said, I've got no idea what it does. My team HAHA is going to test out really high consistency on several positions. I'm hoping it has a slight boost to rolls being closer to the max, and then that boost is increased on 3rd/4th downs + end of halves etc.

However, I have no idea if I'm right, wrong, or it's 50/50.


Keep us posted on your findings Absolut. If it works, I guess we'll all see it

 
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Def Consist is really an enigma. So while I have dot on Makntak's M.A.D. team (where we are encouraged to try out crazy ideas that actually make the dot bad on purpose), I only put SP into Def Consist for my LB and nothing else until he got it to 75. He sucked for M.A.D., meaning he actually was one of their best players, lol. All I can say is that Def Consist does seem to be important somehow and worthy of SP.

Correction: I actually put SP into COnditioning and HEart so he would get onto the field and I could see how he played.
 
Makntak
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Originally posted by David146
Def Consist is really an enigma. So while I have dot on Makntak's M.A.D. team (where we are encouraged to try out crazy ideas that actually make the dot bad on purpose), I only put SP into Def Consist for my LB and nothing else until he got it to 75. He sucked for M.A.D., meaning he actually was one of their best players, lol. All I can say is that Def Consist does seem to be important somehow and worthy of SP.

Correction: I actually put SP into COnditioning and HEart so he would get onto the field and I could see how he played.


LOL - yeah Wavy Gravy - will consistently be our best suckiest player.
 
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I've always been a huge fan of consistency. Capped it - but not too high (50s I think)

I always thought it reduced the variance of rolls...in pressure situations it increased the lower end of the roll possibilities (if that makes sense)

but that is just my own guess - certainly no way to prove it.

I do think it is very important though.
 
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Originally posted by Makntak
Keep us posted on your findings Absolut. If it works, I guess we'll all see it



By high, I mean between 70-90 on some of my positions. Most of my offense will have consistency between 70-85. Some of my D-line will be in the low 90's for consistency.

I hope it works, this is a lot of SP.
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I always cap consistency on all my players. The cap is never very high though. The highest is probably in the 50s or 60s.
 
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Originally posted by Absolut Zero
By high, I mean between 70-90 on some of my positions. Most of my offense will have consistency between 70-85. Some of my D-line will be in the low 90's for consistency.

I hope it works, this is a lot of SP.


It also uses a lot of attributes on confidence that you could be putting elsewhere.
 
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CB and pass protection S need at least 70 in my opinion or they will give up a lot of receptions on third down.
 
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