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While the tier's been dominated by the best team in GLB2 so far, I think the tier on the whole had the deepest set of teams ever. Felt like you could break up the top 20 or so teams into a few tiers of caliber.

Tier 1 (moon league)
- Minnesota Stunners

Tier 2 (other elite teams that are all capable of beating each other, and mostly dominating all the other teams below them)
- Harrisonburg Bulldogs
- Queen City Brewmasters
- I've Never Had Sex
- Alaskan Assassins
- Air Raid
- The Salty Runback
- MMArmy Can Crushers
- Doinitin Djibouti 2.0
- Run GLB

That's 10 teams right there that I feel like would have been able to compete for the Veteran #1 ladder ranking had they existed for the first Veteran season. The Hawaii Bulls would've been in that group. The original Queen City Brewmasters would've been in a tier 3 group with teams like Stark at this point.

Pretty sure we have been more than 10 deep with teams that could take out the top team before.

Originally posted by bhall43
Pretty sure we have been more than 10 deep with teams that could take out the top team before.

yeah...season 1-4 were awesome

How in the world is there not a snapshot of the end (and beginning) of every season ladder stored somewhere so that this kind of (fun) discussion can be backed up (ie best top 5 or 10 ever, etc)

Maybe old ladders could be gathered from old forum threads?

I'm on phone now so can't look until later the week

Originally posted by Galithor
The original Queen City Brewmasters would've been in a tier 3 group with teams like Stark at this point.

This team IS the original Brewmasters. The only upgrades are the superstars (and plugging out my S* WR due to salary + passing changes).

Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
This team IS the original Brewmasters. The only upgrades are the superstars (and plugging out my S* WR due to salary + passing changes).

I think he was referring to you passing in the past.

We were only a 3rd and long passing team. It was the counter (no pun intended) to TFL risk of outside rushing.

The debate was always whether we would have a higher chance at converting a 3rd and long by rushing it then chucking it Barry Allen's way.

Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
This team IS the original Brewmasters. The only upgrades are the superstars (and plugging out my S* WR due to salary + passing changes).

The S* HBs are a pretty big deal. It's not the same team. It's the difference in you breaking 40 tackles a game, or eating a couple dozen TFLs a game.

QC without the S* HBs is a modestly better version of Portland that was the pioneer of the morale assaulting meta. You get wrecked just as badly Portland generally does by everyone else on that list without those S* HBs. Thus, QC 1.0 would be tier 3. QC 2.0, with the S* HBs, is solidly tier 2.

The only other veteran team historically that'd make this list is Season 7 Hawaii. They'd be in tier 2 with the rest of us trying to figure out how to beat TxSteve's team.

There aren't any other teams that've existed at veteran level that would make this list IMO. Teams that folded before Veteran don't count. There's no way to guage how good they'd have been at Veteran.

<gets no love i beat run glb ajnd have had competive games

Originally posted by bhall43
Pretty sure we have been more than 10 deep with teams that could take out the top team before.

Those 10 teams weren't as good as the 10 teams I listed though.

There's not a single Season 6 Veteran team that would make that list. For good reason, all those teams had build flaws and lack of superstars for obvious "they were built the first season" reasons. In Season 7, it was the Hawaii and Air Raid show for the most part, but even both of those were solid tier 2 by todays standards. Season 8 saw Minnesota reach Veteran, but they were probably tier 2 by this season standards. They got a pretty useful buff from the morale changes. Played right into their wheelhouse and elevated them to the first truely moon league quality team IMO.

If I had to pick 2 teams to be "tier 1b" right now, it'd be INHS and Queen City. I can't say that Harry would fit as tier lb until they actually play against this version of QC and INHS. I think they'd lose both of those games. Alaska could make a pretty decent argument, and have a chance to make a better argument tomorrow against Queen City.

Originally posted by chronicbomb
<gets no love i beat run glb ajnd have had competive games

That's Fort Collins ONLY real win though. There's a bunch of baaad losses in there too. Lost to WCW as a pro team that probably will join this list next season. Losses to Legacy and Denver. Some of those losses are tier 3 quality teams, a couple of them are worse than that.

Stoners probably falls somewhere in the tier 3 range. Good enough to upset a tier 2 team occasionally. Not good enough to potentially play .500 against a bunch of them. Similar to teams like Rhode Island, Stark, New York Nightmare, Portland Ronin and Storm, Legacy, Gatling Valley, etc.

I agree, while the tier has been deep before season 1-5 featured teams that had multiple holes due to a lack of SSs and knowledge about builds. DD2 is miles better than the original DD who dominated seasons 1-5. That original DD team would get handled easily by any of the teams Galithor just listed. It's the same for that original QC team, rush defenses now are at least twice as good as they were before. You put that team on the field now and they beat 1-2 teams on this list if lucky. As far as putting INHS or QC as tier 1b, not even close. They are solid tier 2 with the rest of the teams listed here IMO.

Title is confusing. The set will get deeper every season by logic of more teams hitting vet. Also the game has changed quite a bit over the seasons.

Tiers are tough when your tier 1 is only Minnesota. It's makes inclusion in that tier more of a 'who is built to beat Minnesota'. Basically locate your superstar passing teams that have a strong rush defense. Harrisonburg is probably the closest to that.

I think your tier 2 and the original point of the thread resonates that there are a healthy amount of teams that can compete with anyone. Not necessarily 'any given sunday' type flow, but teams that are going to put in a competitive game. I do wish the pool of vet teams was larger though. Still feels rather tight/small.