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Because TxSteve is a lazy bum.

Using the Current Top 10 Ladder


Yards/Carry Allowed
1. Harrisonburg - 3.5 yards/carry (with TFLs 20.1% of the time)
2. Minnesota Stunners - 3.8 yards/carry (with TFLs 15.7% of the time)
3. MMArmy - 4.4 yards/carry (with TFLs 21.7% of the time)
4. Stark - 4.8 yards/carry (with TFLs 15.2% of the time)
5. Portland - 5.1 yards/carry (with TFLs 15.5% of the time)
6. Salty Runback - 5.4 yards/carry (with TFLs 15.3% of the time)
7. Queen City - 5.8 yards/carry (with TFLs 19.9% of the time)
7. Legacy - 5.8 yards/carry (with TFLs 11.5% of the time)
9. Air Raid - 5.9 yards/carry (with TFLs 10.9% of the time)
10. NY Nightmare - 6.3 yards/carry (with TFLs 13.8% of the time)

Yards/Carry Allowed (Inside Rushes)
1. Minnesota Stunners - 3.2 yards/carry (with TFLs 6.6% of the time)
2. Harrisonburg - 3.5 yards/carry (with TFLs 4.3% of the time)
3. MMArmy - 3.8 yards/carry (with TFLs 4.5% of the time)
4. Stark - 4.0 yards/carry (with TFLs 2.9% of the time)
5. Legacy - 4.7 yards/carry (with TFLs 1.9% of the time)
6. Portland - 4.8 yards/carry (with TFLs 2.7% of the time)
6. NY Nightmare - 4.8 yards/carry (with TFLs 2.0% of the time)
8. Air Raid - 5.0 yards/carry (with TFLs 4.0% of the time)
9. Queen City - 5.4 yards/carry (with TFLs 4.7% of the time)
10. Salty Runback - 6.1 yards/carry (with TFLs 2.2% of the time)

Yards/Carry Allowed (Outside Rushes)
1. Harrisonburg - 3.4 yards/carry (with TFLs 39.2% of the time)
2. Minnesota Stunners - 4.1 yards/carry (with TFLs 20.5% of the time)
3. Salty Runback - 4.7 yards/carry (with TFLs 29.0% of the time)
4. MMArmy - 5.1 yards/carry (with TFLs 38.8% of the time)
5. Portland - 5.5 yards/carry (with TFLs 32.1% of the time)
6. Stark - 5.6 yards/carry (with TFLs 27.9% of the time)
7. Queen City - 6.2 yards/carry (with TFLs 31.3% of the time)
8. Legacy - 7.2 yards/carry (with TFLs 24.7% of the time)
9. Air Raid - 7.3 yards/carry (with TFLs 21.9% of the time)
10. NY Nightmare - 8.1 yards/carry (with TFLs 28.4% of the time)

Yards/Pass Attempt Allowed
1. Harrisonburg - 4.6 yards/attempt
2. MMArmy - 4.6 yards/attempt
3. Queen City - 5.1 yards/attempt
4. Salty Runback - 5.2 yards/attempt
5. Minnesota Stunners - 5.3 yards/attempt
6. Air Raid - 5.5 yards/attempt
6. Portland - 5.5 yards/attempt
6. Stark - 5.5 yards/attempt
9. NY Nightmare - 6.4 yards/attempt
10. Legacy - 6.5 yards/attempt

Yards/Pass Attempt Allowed (Screens)
1. MMArmy - 1.6 yards/attempt
2. Salty Runback - 2.6 yards/attempt
3. Stark - 2.7 yards/attempt
4. Portland - 3.2 yards/attempt
5. Harrisonburg - 3.6 yards/attempt
6. Minnesota Stunners - 3.9 yards/attempt
7. Queen City - 5.4 yards/attempt
7. Legacy - 5.4 yards/attempt
9. Air Raid - 6.3 yards/attempt
10. NY Nightmare - 7.9 yards/attempt

Yards/Pass Attempt Allowed (Short Passes)
1. Harrisonburg - 1.2 yards/attempt (with 26% completed)
2. Salty Runback - 2.4 yards/attempt (with 36% completed)
3. NY Nightmare - 2.8 yards/attempt (with 32% completed)
4. MMArmy - 3.1 yards/attempt (with 34% completed)
5. Minnesota Stunners - 4.1 yards/attempt (with 49% completed)
6. Air Raid - 4.5 yards/attempt (with 44% completed)
7. Portland - 4.8 yards/attempt (with 48% completed)
8. Queen City - 5.1 yards/attempt (with 55% completed)
9. Stark - 5.7 yards/attempt (53% completed)
10. Legacy - 7.4 yards/attempt (76% completed)

Yards/Pass Attempt Allowed (Medium Passes)
1. Harrisonburg - 3.8 yards/attempt (with 37% completed)
2. MMArmy - 4.0 yards/attempt (with 40% completed)
3. Minnesota Stunners - 4.1 yards/attempt (with 41% completed)
4. Air Raid - 4.3 yards/attempt (with 39% completed)
5. Queen City - 4.6 yards/attempt (with 38% completed)
6. Stark - 5.0 yards/attempt (with 39% completed)
7. Salty Runback - 5.2 yards/attempt (with 44% completed)
8. Portland - 5.6 yards/attempt (with 48% completed)
9. NY Nightmare - 5.9 yards/attempt (with 48% completed)
10. Legacy - 6.0 yards/attempt (53% completed)

Yards/Pass Attempt Allowed (Long Passes)
1. Queen City - 5.9 yards/attempt (with 40% completed)
1. Portland - 5.9 yards/attempt (with 43% completed)
3. Salty Runback - 6.2 yards/attempt (with 42% completed)
4. MMArmy - 6.5 yards/attempt (with 43% completed)
5. Minnesota Stunners - 6.6 yards/attempt (with 44% completed)
6. Harrisonburg - 6.7 yards attempt (with 46% completed)
7. Air Raid - 6.9 yards/attempt (with 45% completed)
7. Stark - 6.9 yards/attempt (with 42% completed)
9. Legacy - 7.5 yards/attempt (with 51% completed)
10. NY Nightmare - 7.7 yards/attempt (with 49% completed)

Sack Percentage
1. Harrisonburg - 9.5% of pass plays
2. Air Raid - 9.1% of pass plays
3. MMArmy - 7.6% of pass plays
4. Stark - 5.9% of pass plays
5. NY Nightmare - 5.8% of pass plays
6. Queen City - 5.1% of pass plays
7. Salty Runback - 3.5% of pass plays
8. Minnesota Stunners - 3.3% of pass plays
9. Portland - 2.0% of pass plays
10. Legacy - 1.8% of pass plays

Hurry Percentage
1. Air Raid - 22.7% of pass plays
2. Queen City - 18.5% of pass plays
3. Stark - 17.4% of pass plays
4. MMArmy - 17.0% of pass plays
5. Harrisonburg - 15.2% of pass plays
6. NY Nightmare - 15.2% of pass plays
7. Minnesota Stunners - 15.0% of pass plays
8. Salty Runback - 10.4% of pass plays
9. Portland - 5.8% of pass plays
10. Legacy - 4.0% of pass plays

Lessons learned?

- Harrisonburg is the runaway best defense in the game (far away from Salty).
- Minnesota is excellent vs the rush, but has no pass rush and can be beat with long passes.
- Hard to pass deep against Queen City so screen/short pass them to death.
- TFLs against outside rushes are an uber common occurrence (almost 40% of the time vs Harrisonburg)
- Stunners have the best interior run d-line.
- Passing and rushing are pretty damn equal/balanced.

great post Romo - nice up.


someone should text tdiddy's underwear to warn it that it is about to get jizzed on.

and - though ladder games are a very good measure (probably as good as we can reasonably do) - for those of us in Monroe:

MMA / Stunners (5 vs 1) has 2 games not listed here
likewise - HBurgs stats don't include 3 vs 5 or 3 vs 1

which does start to get statistically important when looking at 13 games. So for the stunners - that "top team" evaluation would be 16 games - all of our ladder - + 2 MMA + harrisonburg - jumping the analysis to 16 games (and certainly hurting our stats here)


awesome post - and a great measure though. Would be awesome if someday Stobie's scouter can do that - I know it was tedious


also kind of funny: apparently harrisonburg hasn't played Queen City or Virgins -- how is that for a ladder draw!

You could also make a chemistry argument for some of these teams. Queen City would certainly be trending upwards in a lot of these categories, specifically on the rush side. These stats would lead you to believe that Queen City is a bit of a pass focused defense, which obviously isn't the case. Nothing is ever perfect.

Originally posted by TxSteve

also kind of funny: apparently harrisonburg hasn't played Queen City or Virgins -- how is that for a ladder draw!


Kind of explains their amazing run defense stats. No games against Stunners, QCB or Virgins in the data.

Originally posted by Rob.
Kind of explains their amazing run defense stats. No games against Stunners, QCB or Virgins in the data.

Yea the big league games mess this system up pretty big. If you take QC, factor in the 2 games against Air Raid they then go to #10 in the long passes allowed with a 7.9 YPA and 52% completion rate.

right - in a perfect world - you would take QC's two games vs Air Raid - and average the stats (then count it as 1 game) - then you would have a truer apples to apples comparison.

Same with minnesota / mma - average the stats from the two and count it as one game.



(all brutal to do by hand though - so not faulting romo - this is a great post on a boring day)

Originally posted by TxSteve
right - in a perfect world - you would take QC's two games vs Air Raid - and average the stats (then count it as 1 game) - then you would have a truer apples to apples comparison.

Same with minnesota / mma - average the stats from the two and count it as one game.



(all brutal to do by hand though - so not faulting romo - this is a great post on a boring day)

Absolutely, I didn't mean it as a flame. Just pointing out how bad the league can mess it up. You factor in the 1 game with Harrisonburg and the Stunners and it takes Harrisonburg all the way down to #5 on the YPC list. Thats without adjusting other teams so they very well could move back up once you factored all that in.

Ya we're stuck with the tools we have. Definitely have to include the top of that league mix without saying 'hey take this great team at passing/rushing and look what they'd do'. If you factor in Air Raid to a Tiger team you also factor in Portland, Salty, Stark, NY Nightmare, Legacy, etc.

maybe stobie could simply do:

factor in playing teams with a winning record -- and average the stats where there is a rematch

Yea, hard to take much from the rushing stats above without Minn/Virginis/QC... my guess is we are mid-range on rush D instead of #1

But you can absolutely learn from the pass D... MMA is the only formidable passing team in our league, so those ladder stats for pass D are spot on, as we've played every elite passing team in ladder other than MMA (who we played in league). Playing Virgins/QC won't hurt our pass defense ratings. Including our pass rush (high sack %), we have arguably the best pass defense.

Out of curiosity, I wanted to compare my stats from the original to vs current top 20 (encompasses league and ladder). Sample of 18 games here. So it removes the helping from Boogie Men/New Jersey Generals/etc and basically gives the truest statistical output possible. Speaks a bit towards the state of the sim when you're fighting fire with fire. No dilution. And this is with 2 games vs Stunners and 2 vs Air Raid, including a set with low chemistry lol.


Yards/Carry Allowed
PURE LADDER: Queen City - 5.8 yards/carry (with TFLs 19.9% of the time)
TOP 20: Queen City - 6.4 yards/carry (with TFLs 17.5% of the time)

Yards/Carry Allowed (Inside Rushes)
TOP 20: Queen City - 5.2 yards/carry (with TFLs 2.7% of the time)
PURE LADDER: Queen City - 5.4 yards/carry (with TFLs 4.7% of the time)

Yards/Carry Allowed (Outside Rushes)
PURE LADDER: Queen City - 6.2 yards/carry (with TFLs 31.3% of the time)
TOP 20: Queen City - 7.5 yards/carry (with TFLs 30.7% of the time)

Yards/Pass Attempt Allowed
PURE LADDER: Queen City - 5.1 yards/attempt
TOP 20: Queen City - 6.1 yards/attempt

Yards/Pass Attempt Allowed (Screens)
PURE LADDER: Queen City - 5.4 yards/attempt
TOP 20: Queen City - 9.4 yards/attempt

Yards/Pass Attempt Allowed (Short Passes)
TOP 20: Queen City - 4.2 yards/attempt (with 48% completed)
PURE LADDER: Queen City - 5.1 yards/attempt (with 55% completed)

Yards/Pass Attempt Allowed (Medium Passes)
PURE LADDER: Queen City - 4.6 yards/attempt (with 38% completed)
TOP 20: Queen City - 5.5 yards/attempt (with 48% completed)

Yards/Pass Attempt Allowed (Long Passes)
PURE LADDER: Queen City - 5.9 yards/attempt (with 40% completed)
TOP 20: Queen City - 7.5 yards/attempt (with 51% completed)

Sack Percentage
PURE LADDER: Queen City - 5.1% of pass plays
TOP 20: Queen City - 3.1% of pass plays

Hurry Percentage
PURE LADDER: Queen City - 18.5% of pass plays
TOP 20: Queen City - 17.1% of pass plays