Anybody use this SA? When I reset, I will be silvering this on all my pass rushers. Pass rushers seem to get tired the most and the energy boost late in the game could be a game changer.
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Opportunity cost.
It's never worth it, imo. Think about the pass rusher SAs. You can't NOT take Tunnel Vision and Spin Cycle to gold. That right there is the bulk of your SAs. I suppose you could use it at silver in that setup, but you're choosing it over First Step or even Showboat which is attractive in this sim (at silver entire defense gets +5 energy/morale and offense loses 10 morale on sack or TFL).
Silver is only +8 energy/morale. That's nothing.
It's never worth it, imo. Think about the pass rusher SAs. You can't NOT take Tunnel Vision and Spin Cycle to gold. That right there is the bulk of your SAs. I suppose you could use it at silver in that setup, but you're choosing it over First Step or even Showboat which is attractive in this sim (at silver entire defense gets +5 energy/morale and offense loses 10 morale on sack or TFL).
Silver is only +8 energy/morale. That's nothing.
Edited by InRomoWeTrust on Feb 1, 2015 08:52:36
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Originally posted by DeeVee8
For a Blocking WR it's one of the few SAs that make sense.
lol...everyone sucks for them tbh^^
For a Blocking WR it's one of the few SAs that make sense.
lol...everyone sucks for them tbh^^
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Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
It's never worth it, imo. Think about the pass rusher SAs. You can't NOT take Tunnel Vision and Spin Cycle to gold. That right there is the bulk of your SAs. I suppose you could use it at silver in that setup, but you're choosing it over First Step or even Showboat which is attractive in this sim (at silver entire defense gets +5 energy/morale and offense loses 10 morale on sack or TFL).
Silver is only +8 energy/morale. That's nothing.
It depends on what type of pass rusher you have. You don't have to take Tunnel Vision to gold. My pass rush DEs are tech not power. I won't get tunnel vision for them. As a matter of fact, I won't invest 1 SP into Pass Rush Power so getting Tunnel Vision is useless. They will Gold Spin Cyle (end build is 95 Pass Rush Tech and Footwork) and Gold First Step. After that, there isn't much left for SAs. I was debating between Showboat and Second Wind for Silver. I went with Second Wind because I have notice that my pass rushers are getting tired at the end of the game. Also, Showboat fires only when you make a tackle. Second Wind helps you get that tackle. I would rather get to the QB than hope I get to him so an SA can fire.
As for my blitzing CBs, well they won't be getting Spin Cycle or Tunnel Vision. Their sole objective is to get to the QB as fast as possible in an undisturbed path. So they will obviously be Golding First Step as the end build will be 100 Quick/Speed. They are also Golding Opportunist so they can strip the QB. They blitz from so far back that they are constantly burning stamina, so silvering Second Wind was the best option over Showboat.
It's never worth it, imo. Think about the pass rusher SAs. You can't NOT take Tunnel Vision and Spin Cycle to gold. That right there is the bulk of your SAs. I suppose you could use it at silver in that setup, but you're choosing it over First Step or even Showboat which is attractive in this sim (at silver entire defense gets +5 energy/morale and offense loses 10 morale on sack or TFL).
Silver is only +8 energy/morale. That's nothing.
It depends on what type of pass rusher you have. You don't have to take Tunnel Vision to gold. My pass rush DEs are tech not power. I won't get tunnel vision for them. As a matter of fact, I won't invest 1 SP into Pass Rush Power so getting Tunnel Vision is useless. They will Gold Spin Cyle (end build is 95 Pass Rush Tech and Footwork) and Gold First Step. After that, there isn't much left for SAs. I was debating between Showboat and Second Wind for Silver. I went with Second Wind because I have notice that my pass rushers are getting tired at the end of the game. Also, Showboat fires only when you make a tackle. Second Wind helps you get that tackle. I would rather get to the QB than hope I get to him so an SA can fire.
As for my blitzing CBs, well they won't be getting Spin Cycle or Tunnel Vision. Their sole objective is to get to the QB as fast as possible in an undisturbed path. So they will obviously be Golding First Step as the end build will be 100 Quick/Speed. They are also Golding Opportunist so they can strip the QB. They blitz from so far back that they are constantly burning stamina, so silvering Second Wind was the best option over Showboat.
Edited by Galactic Empire on Feb 1, 2015 15:52:53
Edited by Galactic Empire on Feb 1, 2015 15:52:33
Originally posted by Galactic Empire
It depends on what type of pass rusher you have. You don't have to take Tunnel Vision to gold. My pass rush DEs are tech not power. I won't get tunnel vision for them. As a matter of fact, I won't invest 1 SP into Pass Rush Power so getting Tunnel Vision is useless.
Stopped reading here. No pass rush power is idiotic.
It depends on what type of pass rusher you have. You don't have to take Tunnel Vision to gold. My pass rush DEs are tech not power. I won't get tunnel vision for them. As a matter of fact, I won't invest 1 SP into Pass Rush Power so getting Tunnel Vision is useless.
Stopped reading here. No pass rush power is idiotic.
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Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
Stopped reading here. No pass rush power is idiotic.
Why? It takes a ton of SPs and all it does is try to pancake or push the O-Linemen backwards. My pass rush DEs are trying to spin around the O-Line, not push them over or back. It also holds his ground when he is being pushed. First off, most Pass O-Line are techies, so they won't be pushing him far. Second, he will have such high footwork and pass rush tech that he will be around the O-Line in no time.
Stopped reading here. No pass rush power is idiotic.
Why? It takes a ton of SPs and all it does is try to pancake or push the O-Linemen backwards. My pass rush DEs are trying to spin around the O-Line, not push them over or back. It also holds his ground when he is being pushed. First off, most Pass O-Line are techies, so they won't be pushing him far. Second, he will have such high footwork and pass rush tech that he will be around the O-Line in no time.
Edited by Galactic Empire on Feb 1, 2015 19:46:16
Edited by Galactic Empire on Feb 1, 2015 19:45:48
Edited by Galactic Empire on Feb 1, 2015 19:43:46
Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
You can't NOT take Tunnel Vision and Spin Cycle to gold.
Stopped reading here. The -20 Blitz Awareness makes Tunnel Vision too much of a risk for me.
You can't NOT take Tunnel Vision and Spin Cycle to gold.
Stopped reading here. The -20 Blitz Awareness makes Tunnel Vision too much of a risk for me.
Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
Stopped reading here. No pass rush power is idiotic.
there is definitely something idiotic in this thread....but it isn't the people who ignore pass rush power.
Stopped reading here. No pass rush power is idiotic.
there is definitely something idiotic in this thread....but it isn't the people who ignore pass rush power.
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Originally posted by DeeVee8
For a Blocking WR it's one of the few SAs that make sense.
I swear First Step fires way more often than it should when run blocking. An argument can be made for that one.
For a Blocking WR it's one of the few SAs that make sense.
I swear First Step fires way more often than it should when run blocking. An argument can be made for that one.
Originally posted by Absolut Zero
I swear First Step fires way more often than it should when run blocking. An argument can be made for that one.
Those are the 2. I gold FS and SW on all my bWRs.
I swear First Step fires way more often than it should when run blocking. An argument can be made for that one.
Those are the 2. I gold FS and SW on all my bWRs.
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This is the first time I've ever felt like Galactic Empire knew more about this game than IRWT
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Originally posted by Kayoh
This is the first time I've ever felt like Galactic Empire knew more about this game than IRWT
Now now wait a minute... wait one damn minute here....
Don't tell him shit like that....
This is the first time I've ever felt like Galactic Empire knew more about this game than IRWT
Now now wait a minute... wait one damn minute here....
Don't tell him shit like that....
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